Were is the DDR show-line - Page 2

I wonder if the East working lines where the East show line dogs too.  One dog duel purpose ?  That makes some sense to me seeings how they had to be shown and evaluated on size structure all the same criteria  as the West show lines do . Just a thought .

Silbersee, my problem is I get sick of people calling this correct conformation, when the breed standard clearly states otherwise. I often post photos without the dog's name, but in this case, i wanted to show that these dogs were supposedly very good quality animals. And no, it's NOT just the dog 'digging in'!  I can show you videos that prove some German show lines DO walk on their hocks and pasterns, just like the much-maligned American show lines!

Enough...I will not post here again, but I couldn't let vfg's comment pass without disagreeing.

The DDR dogs prior to curtain going down were not "bred for show" , as is the case in the West for past thirty some years. The Eastern countries bred for strong working dogs and in particular military/police/herding characteristics. Now if a dog with exceptional conformation was in the right home the dog would be shown successfully. They didnot not breed whole litters for beauty traits or beauty "type". This is a phenomena of the past 35 years in the West and certainly in America. This is why if you look at the V-1 to V-10 dogs in the East Seiger show as late as the ending eighties when the curtain came down you will see high rated V dogs in this show that were from sires and dams who were also known for producing exception working dogs. (There was no VA in Eastern Seiger show)...Hell, Held v Ritterberg, one of the great working producers of his time even produced a Seigren in conformation. This is the same way it was in the West prior to the Martins, but somewhere things changed!?!?!?

BTW, I own the book "Die DDR-Seiger aus zuchterischer Sicht" from which I have gleaned the above information along with the basic west history that we all know.

Gustav,
admittedly, I have never studied the GDR-lines as they are not used all that much anymore.  The book you are quoting, is this the one which lists all the mainlines of East Germany? Supposedly, most are extinct and I read a couple of times that people are bitter over that and call it a genetic bottleneck situation which the East Germans maneuvered themselves in at the end of the 80s, right before the borders were opened (11-09-1989).
I always wondered why these dogs were not used much anymore after the East German breeders were reintegrated into the SV. Interestingly, the majority started using West German lines - some went to the show side and the others to the working side.

Sunsilver,
off topic - but do you remember the topline thread we had over a year ago? I was trying to talk about optical illusions and perceptions. The same goes for movement as well. When we prepare a dog with show training, there are two different kind of collars: one is the scoop (an all metall one) and another one is a leather one. Even using these different collars on the same animal makes all the difference. Some dogs go really flat with the scoop. Then, it also alters the gait how high and short you hold the lead as the handler. Just look at the strung up AKC dogs. I bet a lot of them go real flat if they were offlead. Offlead of course is the most important test since you can't aide a dog or hide is structural shortcomings with a tense lead.
Here is the link to the old topline thread we had, in case you do not remember: www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/164925.html The only problem is that the photos I posted are all lost, since I cleaned out my photobucket account. But Uwe (Jeckl) and Partyman used the photos as well.

Sorry double post - one time is enough!.

Is it possible for some of these extinct  blood lines from the DDR era to still be living and working on old family farms ? Off the beaten path ?  Kept for themselves and bred for themselves ?  Surely some family must have had a fondness for their dogs and kept them going for their own personal use . When did the lines start to disapear ? Was it in the 1980 s or before ? Sorry for the run on questions .

Again, maybe Gustav can correct me if I am wrong, but that is not possible due to the East German system. You did not even get papers on your dog until you went to a "Junghundsichtung", which translates into a Young Dog evaluation. The selection to breed with a dog was even more stringend. I recall this from my conversations with Werner Dalm, when he was here on judging assignment with Charlie Starr's old club in Binghamton back in the mid nineties. I had two days with him as I was translating for him.
What  I vividly recall was his notes on each dog - he gave points on different body parts. He used a form which was left over from East German judging days. Also, he did not like double handling at all - he forbade it. Midway in a class, he made everybody turn around and gait the dogs in the opposite direction. Very confusing for those used to the SV style of handling. He wanted to see the dogs on loose leads and repeatedly stated that this is not a race, lol.

"Several of the DDR Dogs were "V" Rated in Conformation as well as work titled which from my own experience is not common in the West German Work Lines."

V ratings are common enough in working lines from either side of the Iron Curtain.  Some folks tend to think that working line dogs cannot make V KKL1 and that's just not correct.  Surf around this site for a while and I expect you'll find enough examples to lay that myth to rest. 


Concerning "DDR Show lines"...

I would not be surprised at all if some DDR breeders evolved their breeding programs into the show line type after the fall of Communism.  As long as East Germany was part of the Communist empire they didn't have to be successful capitalists.  LOL.  After they lost all their "support" from the Motherland and the Wall came down, now they all had to learn how to survive (financially) in a largely capitalist market. 

But, there are many more folks with experience in DDR blood that ought to be commenting on this topic so I will vacate the soapbox in favor of someone qualified....