Looking for info on Pohranicni Stranze - Page 1

Hello

I am trying to learn more about pedigrees and lines of dogs, so if anyone knows Pohranicni Stranze, Dero Cega and Gita Salrak (23082/86CKSP) please let me know! I am trying to learn by using Hubbies GSD. His pedigree can be found under:

Leopold von Lebold-Saiz



Thanks a bunch
Claudia

"z Pohranicni straze" is a trade name of Czech border patrol. "z" means from. The Czech government does not breed under this name any more but controls it. (Nobody else can use it). First Czech dogs "z Pohranicni straze" were imported into USA by me :) about 30 years ago. Dogs were not registrable with AKC since the "z Pohranicni straze" breeding was registered by government entity and AKC recognizes only dogs registered by person.This also had been corrected by me and M Drew. Since we provided letter that proved to AKC who was actual breeder/person in thisd breeding program was. It was my friend  Jiri Novotny. Jiri and I are now preserving,promoting, breeding, importing, selling and training these bloodlines.
 Here I go tooting my horn again. But it's all the honest to God truth.
Prager(Hans)
http://www.alpinek9.com

Prager since you have the honor of knowing a person that been breeding some of the word best working dogs, would you be so kind as to share his idealogy behind his breeding methods. I myslef am big fan of the dogs that were registred under that trade name. Thanks.

Wow, Thanks for the website link, I now know where my next dog is coming from

It is hard to mimic what we are doing. It is mainly based on knowledge of the dogs and bloodlines and few basic rules and gut feeling which stems out from long years of passion for working dogs and experience. Here are the some general rules:
1. keep in mind the original purpose of the breed. WORK!
2. breed only the type of the dogs which fit that purpose. There is high emphasis on type breeding.
3.realize that there are no perfect dogs thus ->
4.make sure that you compliment ,or as I like to say dove tail, the pedigrees where you compensate for problems on one ped with virtues on the other. THUS LEARN TO COMPROMISE.
On the other hand.
5.Don't be afraid to take a risk and line breed on spectacular dogs even so you know that there may be a problem  there.From such breeding be ready to eliminate the pups  which do not fit your expectation and display the known problem. There will be some which do not display such problem select  those for future breeding. Out cross it on the dog which is known to compensate on the known problem and also support the virtue which we desire of such breeding. If it does not work be not afraid to dump the line.
6.There is a strong accent on type breeding. Typy studly studs are the foundation. These are bred to strong females.
7.Know the virtues and problems of all the dogs on the pedigree.
THOROUGH knowledge of dogs on the pedigree is of out most importance.
8.Know the virtues and problems of each blood line.
9. Do not breed for extremes.
10.Do not get stuck on single one quality (like hips) by omitting the other trades.


There are two type of quality breedings. 
1. Commercial. Where you find complimenting matched pair and keep breeding them until the end and produce consistent litters. This enhances the overall quality of the pool of GSD.
2. Progressive. Where you keep improving on the big picture of working dog. As soon as you get such improved  pup, take it and  "run" with it and continue to progress to next combination.

These are general rules.
Prager(Hans)
http://www.alpinek9.com

When researching a dog in a pedigree, how do you go about that? I am always trying to learn about dogs in my dogs pedigrees but the info that I am getting is rather limited, as well is there a source when I can look for what the dogs actually produced? I am not a breeder, but I figure if I ever decide I would prefer to be ready rather than shoot in the dark. ;)

To acquire the knowledge of the genetics of each  dog on the pedigree  is a problem. That is why it is very hard for people here to reproduce what we are doing. Many people think that if they buy excellent male and excellent female that they will reproduce excellent pups. Nothing is further from the truth. You need to "compliment" the pedigrees. I am constantly collecting data on different dogs and am traveling to Czech to see them in person and am consulting with Jiri my and his ideas on different combinations. My partner Jiri is breed warden and GSD judge and knows most  dogs personally . The only way to do this properly for people like you is to buy from us or someone who is knowledgeable and willing to do this for you a genetically matched pair. I'll do it for my clients. Jiri is not that keen on doing it. Europeans are very secretive about this even among themselves.  I am willing to  do it only because I like GSD to be a great dog. I have started many breeding programs for other kennels.
Prager(Hans)
http://www.alpinek9.com

Cordon is hard to fault.
Tom Z PS line produced more bad hips and elbows then I like. He was a great worker very popular for that reason. I would not line breed on him. He is OK to have  on the pedigree brings hardness and workability. But only as far as you know about his hips and elbows production. That is why you will not see too many linebreedings on Tom. Tom is son of Cordon and Cordon had no such problem. Thus if you look down on the mother of Tom; Axa z Blatenskeho Zamku her grand mother was Klara z Pohranicni straze. She was the culprit on bad hips and elbows. She was a supper worker very super hard bitch valued by border patrol for that and that is what Tom was so too. That is why she was popular and more importantly major studs who came out of her. Like Tom and super extra hard Gero z Blatenskeho zamku(again from Klara z PS) and others.
Gero z Blatenskeho zamku.
Tom z PS. Cordon

Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com

Prager

Thanks for all the information you have given. It is so nice to be able to come onto this site and see such informative posts like this one.  I also like to see someone that is so devoted to the breed and wanting to preserve it like it should be.

I have 2 Czech females and would like to know what you think of their pedigrees?
This is Xena....
www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/475396.html
This is Annie....
www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/579687.html