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by jade on 11 September 2009 - 20:09
have i missed something...when i first got involved in import shepherds in the mid 70's..long haired hunds were not to be wanted ..studs and females were advertised ...bragging..does not produce long hairs..whats up ...i see ads all over this site proudly advertising long hairs..what ...is the sv oking long hairs now....perhaps this has been talked about ..i don't spend a lot of time on this site so someone enlighten me por favor..one ad stated showline long hair....
by alaman on 11 September 2009 - 21:09
SV is oking them
by GSD Justice on 12 September 2009 - 00:09
You must distinguish between long hair and long coat. Long hair GSD's have a huge risk of recessive traits. I have a long coat dog and love him. I keep him brushed and trimmed and his the best looking GSD I have ever owned. Long haired dogs are often Shilos in disquise. They are great dogs for people that don't need a dog to really protect in my opinion. I don't like it but pink papers are being issued for these dogs.
by bondos mom on 12 September 2009 - 01:09
I am new to shepherds and I have done lots of reading...seems to me this "hair length" thing is not a "fault" but a preference in hair length....it does not seem to be associated with anything that would cause health problems, etc... The first time I saw a longcoat I was hooked...I think they are gorgeous... I have three and they are super dogs... I love them dearly. I do not know what the difference is in a long coat and a long hair....how do you tell the difference? Thanks!
by K-9mom on 12 September 2009 - 02:09
A Long Hair is said to have no true undercoat and generally the hair will make a "part" down the middle of the back.
by patamoke01 on 12 September 2009 - 12:09
Yes what K-9mom says is true but I believe there is another type called the 'Long Stockhaar' which does possess an undercoat, please correct me if i'm wrong.
by SitasMom on 12 September 2009 - 23:09
bondos mom
If you read the breed standard you will see that Long Stockhaar is a fault and long hair is a disqualification........
If you read the breed standard you will see that Long Stockhaar is a fault and long hair is a disqualification........
by starrchar on 13 September 2009 - 03:09
GSDjustice, I feel the need to address some of your statements because they are rather misleading.
"Long hair GSD's have a huge risk of recessive traits." The long coat gene IS a recessive gene. Long coated puppies are produced when both parents carry the gene. Many times only one or two pups in the litter are "coats". It is a gene that MANY GSDs carry, whether German working lines, German Showlines or American lines. Other than having the long coat gene, the long coats are just like any other GSD. THe long coat gene DOES NOT predispose them to other faults or health issues.
"You must distinguish between long hair and long coat." It's just a matter of terminology and everyone seems to have an opinion. There are some GSDs that have an undercoat and some that do not. No undercoat is clearly a fault as the dog does not have a weatherproof coat, which is essential for a working dog.
"Long haired dogs are often Shilos in disquise." First of all, it is spelled "Shiloh". Long coated or long haired (whatever term you choose to use) German Shepherds are just that, German Shepherds with long hair or coats. Shilohs are are breed that is in the process of development. They are much larger than the standard German Shepherd, their structure is different and they have some Alaskan Malamute in them. They are much more laid back than GSDs and make wonderful family pets and therapy dogs. Are there some GSD breeders that breed for the oversized long coat GSDs? Yes, but that is another topic.
"They are great dogs for people that don't need a dog to really protect in my opinion." There are MANY long coats that are VERY protective, as well as many that are titled. Yes, there are those that are not protective, but the same applies to stock coats- some are schutzhund material and some are not.
The SV has now accepted Long Stockhaar and as of 2010 they can now shown and koered under the SV, although in separate show rings than the stock coats. They were accepted and shown up until the 80's or 90's (I have been unable to find out the exact year, but maybe someone else knows) and in my opinion, based on what I have read and heard, the decision to disqualify them was probably political. Regardless of when or why it happened, I am absolutely thrilled the long coats have been reinstated.
Justice, I am just curious to know where you get your info from.
"Long hair GSD's have a huge risk of recessive traits." The long coat gene IS a recessive gene. Long coated puppies are produced when both parents carry the gene. Many times only one or two pups in the litter are "coats". It is a gene that MANY GSDs carry, whether German working lines, German Showlines or American lines. Other than having the long coat gene, the long coats are just like any other GSD. THe long coat gene DOES NOT predispose them to other faults or health issues.
"You must distinguish between long hair and long coat." It's just a matter of terminology and everyone seems to have an opinion. There are some GSDs that have an undercoat and some that do not. No undercoat is clearly a fault as the dog does not have a weatherproof coat, which is essential for a working dog.
"Long haired dogs are often Shilos in disquise." First of all, it is spelled "Shiloh". Long coated or long haired (whatever term you choose to use) German Shepherds are just that, German Shepherds with long hair or coats. Shilohs are are breed that is in the process of development. They are much larger than the standard German Shepherd, their structure is different and they have some Alaskan Malamute in them. They are much more laid back than GSDs and make wonderful family pets and therapy dogs. Are there some GSD breeders that breed for the oversized long coat GSDs? Yes, but that is another topic.
"They are great dogs for people that don't need a dog to really protect in my opinion." There are MANY long coats that are VERY protective, as well as many that are titled. Yes, there are those that are not protective, but the same applies to stock coats- some are schutzhund material and some are not.
The SV has now accepted Long Stockhaar and as of 2010 they can now shown and koered under the SV, although in separate show rings than the stock coats. They were accepted and shown up until the 80's or 90's (I have been unable to find out the exact year, but maybe someone else knows) and in my opinion, based on what I have read and heard, the decision to disqualify them was probably political. Regardless of when or why it happened, I am absolutely thrilled the long coats have been reinstated.
Justice, I am just curious to know where you get your info from.
by patamoke01 on 13 September 2009 - 11:09
They were first exhibited in Hanover in 1882 and during 1915 they were taken out of the breed standard.
by starrchar on 13 September 2009 - 18:09
patamoke9,
I am curious as to where you got your information as it is very different form everything I have heard and read.
Thank you,
char
I am curious as to where you got your information as it is very different form everything I have heard and read.
Thank you,
char
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