showline bred with workingline - Page 24

I'm no expert, have at it.  What are their structural faults?







Then, tell me what you think is wrong with this "V" rated dog, the breedfounder's "ideal".



Somehow THIS is what you think Max envisioned?



I'll happily keep raising coyotes, you can keep your toads.

dayrle, you have the standard on your website. Have you read it.  You present yourself as an authority on the GSD and you ask me to evaluate them for you.

Present them to an SV judge for evaluation if you honestly can't do it yourself,

I don't ask anyone to evaluate my dogs for me. I've been here long enough to know what I have and what I want and what is correct in structure.

So my advice to you is read the standard posted on your web site, take a long and hard look at what a hammock is and also what a coyote looks like.

Best,
Rick Atchley

and by the way dayrle, that is not my toad you posted.

Here is my toad,

WTF, a product of w/l s/l cross, which is the original intent of this thread..What in the hell could I have been thinking to turn down the dogs I saw in Germany and end up with this w/l s/l toad from a breeder in the U.S.
Best to you,
Rick Atchley

 Lets see the toad work. That is all that is important. Show me that.

Like I figured.  You can't tell me how they're NOT within standard, though you imply that they're in violation of it.  I've never claimed to be an authority in conformation, quite the opposite, and have said so many times.  Again, you provide no argument, only accusations.  You don't know how to critique a dog at all, just name-calling.  Why are you even on this topic at all if you have nothing to add to it?

BTW, a "hammock" is probably what you're lounging around in, when you could be working your dog.

Boys, Boys!

Now everybody needs to just settle down and take a chill pill.  Cease and desist with the name calling and personal attacks, as they do nobody any good and personally I don't find it That entertaining.

@Rik

I think your dog is very nice looking.  What is the pedigree?

@Daryl

I think your dogs are very nice looking as well.  Prior to "meeting" you here I had already visited your website.  What I remember is that your breeding goal, and I will have to paraphrase here, was to produce German Shepherds with strong temperaments and characters that were still able to live comfortably as household companions.  My thought then, and still, was that this was a very worthwhile ambition and consistent with my own vision and interests.  And I also agree with you that the modern Showline conformational ideal, as represented in the photo above, deviates considerably from my own ideal which was typical of German dogs in the 50's and 60's.

@Jeff

I agree with you that it is a travesty when pups with sub-adequate temperamental attributes are passed on, with a healthy price tag, to trusting customers who are not getting a decent representative of the core qualities that a GSD should posses.

In any event, the future of the GSD is in the hands of breeders who either acting independently or in concert with breed clubs, will determine the directions (deliberately plural)  that the breed will progress towards.  I for one, do not think the Breed will ever return to a single vision or ideal of "perfection" and with good reason.  The potential roles and "occupations" in the modern world are too varied for a "single purpose" GSD to fulfill.  The same attributes that are required for a High Performance Sport Dog are not the same as those required of a Family Companion and Guardian, and so on and so forth across the scale and range of circumstantial and social environments which any particular GSD might be expected to excel in.

That's the way I seez it!

SteveO 

 Quote: Cease and desist with the name calling and personal attacks, as they do nobody any good and personally I don't find it That entertaining.

Oh yes, that is what we were going for, missed the mark did we ??

What is it with dog people and their constant need to control ?? Bunch of old women.

Steve-O:

I personally find the name calling and personal attacks, between the WL fans.  In these cases, ego seems to trump logic.


Rik:  Your "toad" is very nice.  Same with Daryl's.  However, and I'm not knocking anyone in particular, I agree that not all GSD's, or their owners, are well served having the working temperaments many are breeding towards.  At the rate we're (the breed) is going, rather than growing the number of owners, we'll be shrinking it.  As to structure, I personally like dogs that are of substantial structure like those of the 1960's thru early '80's; I don't care much for the side-gait, but I like a dog that is light on his feet.

BTW Jeff:  If I was paying $2,500.00 for a dog, I'd be hacked if it didn't perform as advertised.  Certainly, a SL/WL cross would not be likely to impact the market of the dogs most WL breeders sell, nor would they be likely to be sold for such ($2.5K) prices.