showline bred with workingline - Page 23

Jeff, you have a few good points that I agree with. The GSD should first be a working dog.

I have absolutely never found anything detrimental to conditioning my dogs behind a vehicle. truck, 4 wheeler, open hatch back on Jeep or bicycle. I've done all these and the dogs love it

In trying to transition from the AKC S/L, I was absolutely not prepared for what I found in Germany. The acceptance of very poor character in S/L, the acceptance of severe "cow hocked" dogs Even AKC does not accept this

I was honestly naive enough to believe that all I had to do was go to Germany, pick a titled dog, and be on my way to GSD heaven, I have had a very steep learning curve and I learn fast. I did see a few dogs there that met my expectations, but were out of my price range. I came back to the U.S., identified a breeder who had close to the same vision as I do for the GSD, and got my first "German" dog.

So, I say all this to say this. You are correct in labeling the direction of the GSD as "shitters" You are correct that harsh measures should be taken to weed out the "shitters" from the GSD.

However, there are also "shitters" in the human race. I have 30+ years experience with them In the UAW, you can't possibly come up with anything that I haven't heard. "The best part of you ran down your momma's crack", how about "ran down your daddy's leg", how about "doctor must have dropped you on your head". This crap is so old that I'm surprised to see it used by someone who is trying to present himself as the only knowledgeable authority on the GSD in the U.S.

So, in parting, I will say only that as far as the human race goes, you are a "shitter" and your "mini me" daryle with his untitled, unproven coyote dogs is not far behind.

Best and my real name is,
Rick Atchley

sorry dayrle that I diverted attention to you.

In my previous post, I refereed to you as Jeffs "mini me" Also, I made mention of your breeding untitled, un-proofed coyote type dogs. If I am wrong in my assessment, then feel free to correct me.

Rick Atchley

 Quote: This crap is so old that I'm surprised to see it used by someone who is trying to present himself as the only knowledgeable authority on the GSD in the U.S.

Is that what you read in my posts ?? I find that funny. Sometimes I will post a question on a different forum, and I have always been amazed at how far off from what I was asking the replies were.

Sometimes I am amazed at the anger and the assumption that people are just bashing others by asking for video or whatever. 

I guess this would be one of those times. I certainly don't know, I was asked about the mother line, and said flat out that Daniel would be the one to ask. I sure as fuck don't know.

I have been training dogs since I was just a kid. I think the anger that I do have is when someone has something scary in their life happen, and they go and buy a GSD, and it grows up, and the dang thing is a cur. This started happening so frequently it really started bugging me.

I don't do the whip em up test. I have had them be frightened to be in the same room as me, afraid of the tug, afraid of a tennis ball.

There were showlines primarily fucking up, but some show work crosses. These dogs should have been culled from the litter. But these people instead, paid up to 2500 for these pups. You see this a few hundred times, and there you go, a bit of an attitude toward show lines, towards show work crosses, or just people out to make money from the GSD.

There are plenty of people who only come on here to vent their bad days or whatever their problems are. You disagree with them, and they take a shot. I don't experience this a lot in person, mostly because you can see my body language, and that I do give a fuck about what I am talking about.

There are people like Abby Normal that just sound like someone having a goof at everyone elses expense. That is ok, I will make fun of them back, and will do so all day long. Then there are people who probably care a bit too much, and get hurt by someone like me, and my lack of ability to deal with a dog that cannot meet a basic standard. Sure, it is my standard, but I go about my business, and my dogs are not walking wounded, and enjoy the things I do with them. 

If they cannot keep up, they go to the vet, and I take care of the problem myself. If you think that this does not suck and does not hurt, you are sadly mistaken. I culled pups very very hard when I was breeding years ago. I will do so again. When I look at people selling "pet" dogs, I find them to be a bunch of asswipes that do not have the guts to do what is necessary. When you buy a GSD, you should have a dog with the character to stand in the doorway and face the bad guy and fight to the death for his family. His family should be right behind him smashing the guy with bats, and hammers.

That is how I think about things when I cull. Do I want to give someone a dog that will not have what it takes to do this thing ?

Now, back to Canto being in my dogs pedigree 35 years ago, and being a "show" dog. I read somewhere (I googled a lot today) that he was not strong in the work. So for those that I asked about if he was a show dog, or a dog that was shown, he would be a show dog. 

yes jeff, that is what I read into your post. Apoligize if I misread it.

Here is all I am saying  As far as your assesment of the GSD, you are 75% correct.

As far as the human race goes, you are a "shitter".As far as your "mini me" dayrle goes, that is not even worth commenting on.

Best,
Rick Atchley

possibly, the really good w/s lines no one could remember the name of,  V Lupo de Lupis fedis...Have puppies coming from him. He lived the last 2 years of his life in my house...A great dog and taught me how to do a BH.  Lida

Rik,

I never made a practice of breeding untitled dogs, if that's what you're getting at. I've produced 3 pups out of the last 150, that were from a single accidental breeding out of untitled parents (although one of those parents now has titles).
 
I haven't sold any of those three pups, and they will stay "untitled" for all I figure its worth. When any piece of shit can get a title, why should I care?  And I will breed them if I see fit.

You condemned my having purchased titled dogs for breeding in one sentence, and then commended another breeder for doing the very same in the next sentence.

But what I don't get is, you haven't even argued with me on any point, just threw compliments and insults.  You just can't get over the fact that I don't like your beloved showlines?

 Quote: As far as the human race goes, you are a "shitter"

Ok, but explain why. It is all fine and dandy to point and call names, but what would define shitter as a human ??

 Quote: I never made a practice of breeding untitled dogs, if that's what you're getting at. I've produced 3 pups out of the last 150, that were from a single accidental breeding out of untitled parents (although one of those parents now has titles).

Titles are mostly goofs anyway. Look at how they crow. LOL

I liked your pups. If it were not so stinking hard to get working homes for pups, People would have liked them because they were titled.

I didn't know you were mini me. You look nothing like me at all, and are way too tall to be mini. : )

dayre, please don't misunderstand me.

I agree with you that the s/l is pretty much headed in the same direction as the Am. s/l (side gait)  if the SV does not take control and  and enforce strict controls on character.

I've been there and done that in the U.S.. Been to Germany (going back next month), seen the "shitters" and also some good dogs from breeders who care what the GSD is

Sorry if it offends you and your breeding of untitled, unproofed dogs here in the U.S. As a previous poster stated, the standard is on your website. Read it and try to comprehend..

It's all there as far as character and structure.

Best,
Rick Atchley