showline bred with workingline - Page 19

 Poor little maywood, is that ABUSE you are giving me ? LOL You roll with the winds, thats for sure. Daddy never did approve of you. Little wrestlers are all like that.




Quote: Wow Jeff, calm down.

Once again, it is only you that is excited, and once again, it is you that missed the point. It is polite to actually read what the other person has written, not just skim it, and pick out what you want to see, and then respond.

You also are selectively responding, that always helps make your arguement better, as others just skim posts as well. Nasch des legendaires vanova is Uroc's father, and Prisca is the mother (same kennel) Then it goes on Prisca's side to larson, and Iena, same kennel, and on Nasch's side it goes to Dork des travires and Liria des legendaires vanova.

I tried to put it on pdb, but it kept argueing with me.

Now show me where you found canto and quanto from 30 or 40 years ago, and then explain to me your theory of how this effects dogs years later. How far back is this occuring ?

I wonder why YOU would even wonder if my oops litter was oops or not.  Sounds a bit accusative.  It was a breeding that was planned, that occured a year sooner than expected.  How about that?

You wanna call Jeff's dog a "showline" dog?  REALLY?!  BFD if all dogs went to Canto, anymore times than they all go to Horand, if you get my point.  Horand already was Max's ideal.  What we have today, clearly is NOT.

silbersee said "If everything goes alright my two homebred showline girls come home bred from Germany this fall."

sorry for off topic, but Chris which bitches are these. I'm guessing one is Penny. Since I was very pleased (and successful) with my "shitter" from you, I am interested in your future plans for the shitter S/L.

Rik

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You wanna call Jeff's dog a "showline" dog?


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I just don't see video of their dogs knocking decoys over left and right. Got any video of your dogs doing that ?? That really is the bottom line, now isn't it ??

Jeff,
one more last time (and you have some room for accusing me of selective reading): Canto has shown up more than a couple of times  in your dog's pedigree. That is why he has the influence. And you don't know how to find him? Wow! Every dog name in your dog's pedigree is a hyperlink. Go ahead and click on it. It opens a new pedigree fro that particular dog. You can do that numerous times until you get the dog you are looking for or the approximate tiemframe. The timeframe is indicated by either the dog's birth year, breed survey year or simply by guessing on the registration no. if you have experience with that.
Here is a step by step:
1)Go and click on ETALON RECOMMANDÉ Iorko de la Legende de Chantevent. You will see that it only takes you to the early 1980s. Taky de Valvygne only has a pedigree full of unknowns, no more ways to pursue. Next we have Sagheera du val des Hurles vent. When you click on her you will see that she is linebred 4 times on Canto. She also has one time Quanto behind Jalf de Gerbe de Granval.  Next check out Ulysse II du val des Hurles Vent who has one line to Canto and one to Marko Cellerland, also a lot of unknowns. Next, ELITE B Aidi du val des Hurles Vent, has one time Canto and one time Mutz. Her paternal grandfather whoever, Nalic de Gerbe de Granval is the culprit that adds a lot of Canto and Quanto on as he appears several times in your dog's pedigree - 2 more times Quanto, three more times Canto. Next is that afore mentioned Nory D'Echalon, where I think that the pedigree can't be correct due to the timeframes, so we will ignore that. Next, Réjane de la Baie de Tamaris has one more line to Canto. 1983 Urtho du Home de la Gérardière ws somewhat of an outcross as his sire was Sagus Busecker Schloss, but his motherline Sagha du Val des Hurles Vent has two more times Canto and one more time Quanto. Last under Etalon Recommandee lorko de la Legende de Chantevent is the line to Urbelle du val des Hurles vent who adds 3 more Canto, two times Mutz and one time Marko.
2) No, let's go back to your dog's pedigree and click on Mazurka du Val des Hurles vent who is an outcross as a Aly Verdersteinwald-daughter. But her maternal great grandfather Vurtz du Val des Hurles Vent carries all these lines again through his mother Sagheera and Nalic who already appear on your pedigree before (see under 1) .That adds 5 more times Canto, 2 more Quanto, one more Mutz. Next, we have Mazurka's great grandmother Cruella du Val des Hurles Vent, who is a daughter of Ulysse II du val des Hurles Vent (one time Marko and one time Quanto) and ELITE B Aidi du val des Hurles Vent (one time Canto and one time Mutz. See under paragraph 1) where she was used already and look at her paternal grandfather Nalic de Gerbe de Granval (2 more times Quanto and three more times Canto). Next, Ulysse II du val des Hurles Vent again (one time Marko, one time Quanto).                               continued

 And last in Mazurka's pedigree, Urphee du val des Hurles vent who has three lines to Canto, 2 to Quanto and one to Mutz.
3) Going back to your dog Basco again: Next maternal great grandfather is Yoschy. I don't need to look there. Maternal great grandmother Judith du val des Hurles vent goes to Basilisk kennel, a showline kennel from Switzerland on her paternal great grandfather side. Lery von Basilisk, a son of the great World Sieger VA-1 Dingo vom Haus Gero, goes back to Canto 3 times, Mutz 2 times and Quanto 2 times. Here it gets even better, and I need to apologize to you Jeff, your dog has more showlines than I first thought. Great grandmother Sophia du Manoir des Princes is a World Sieger VA-1 Axel von der Hainsterbach-daughter (Lasso di Val Sole) with one line to Quanto and one to Canto. Maternal great grandfather Rolf de la Page Blanche has one line to Quanto and one to Canto. Next we have maternal great grandmother Bebelle du val des Hurles vent who is out of Urtho du Home de la Gérardière (see paragrpah one 2 times Canto, one time Quanto) and Urbelle du val des Hurles vent (also appeared before under praragrpah 1 - three times Canto, two times Mutz, one time Marko). Under Judith, we also have ELITE B Aidi du val des Hurles Vent for the THIRD time (one time Canto and one time Mutz. See under paragraphs 1 and 2), plus her grandfather Nalic de Gerbe de Granval - two more times Quanto and three more times Canto. ELITE B RECOMMANDÉ Vachgar, the maternal grandfather of Judith has the incorrect pedigree again through which shows Palme Wildsteiger Land, Uran and Quina Arminius - can't be.

Now that was the evaluation of the pedigree of your dog's mother Sheila du val des hurles vent. Remember that I did not go through his sire's side since that is not available. Plus, a lot of lines ended in unknowns. Who knows how many more lines I could find there. And again, I apologize for the incorrect number I had given before. Instead, I now find Canto 42 times in Sheila's pedigree , Quanto 19 times, Marko 5 times, Mutz 11 times. Halleluja, do you still think that Canto and Quanto do not have any influence on your dog? Remember this is only half of his pedigree.
Chris

darylehret,
I am sure you had that litter planned, why else would you have bought that Tiekerhook dog as a puppy. Yep, it just happened sooner than you figured. What a coincidence.
I never said that Jeff's dog is a showline dog but stated that these lines have a lot more genetically in common with our showlines than with workinglines. And if that pedigree is 100% correct (which I think it is not), he even has the dreaded Uran Wildsteiger Land, Palme Wildsteiger Land and Quina Arminius in it. Ding vom Haus Gero is the dog which had a lot of influence on the beautiful showline gait, did ya know that? You can find him in there as well. Oh, and Axel vd Hainsterbach is Wienerau foundation which you can follow to VA-1 Zamp vd Wienerau (grandson of Axel) www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/27.html . And Zamb is the most recent pilar of the modern showlines, besides is half brother Jeck vom Noricum. It is getting more and more interesting. I really want to see the other half of the pedigree. Who knows what else I can dig up.
Jeff, can you title this dog to SchH3, breed survey and show him? It would be an asset for showline breeders without outcrossing to much!


Rik,
yes I am talking about Penny and Mona. However, Mona might never get pregnant. She had pyometra last fall instead of puppies. The vets in Germany have treated her successfully but as soon as she comes into season, they find bacteria again. This is our last attempt. If she does not take again, I will bring her home, spay her and place her in a nice pet home. A true shame! She has super nice temperament, nice drive. We have spent thousands of dollars on her so far (she has been in Germany with friends for the past two and half years) but mother nature might have other plans than we do. Penny is titled, breed surveyed and V-rated. We are now waiting for her to come into season and we already have a couple of people on our waiting list for her puppies. The most important thing is that she does not come into season around Sieger Show time as that would mean that our stud which we picked out for her would not be available.
Chris

Quote Jeff: I just don't see video of their dogs knocking decoys over left and right. Got any video of your dogs doing that ?? That really is the bottom line, now isn't it ?

Is that really the bottom line, Jeff Oehlsen? What about genetics? Are you trying to tell me it is all a matter of who has the dogs? It is getting more and more contradictory here in your comments!
No, I do not have any videos of my dogs knocking over decoys left and right, but I told you before - I do not get involved in that sport. I will tell you what! I wait for darylehret to post videos and photos of his homebred puppies working. How about that?
Chris

Quote Jeff: Nasch des legendaires vanova is Uroc's father, and Prisca is the mother (same kennel) Then it goes on Prisca's side to larson, and Iena, same kennel, and on Nasch's side it goes to Dork des travires and Liria des legendaires vanova.

I tried to put it on pdb, but it kept argueing with me. 

The reason you can't do that is because none of these dogs are registered here on the PDB. You have to individually register each one before entering the rest of your dog's pedigree. If you need help, I will be happy to do so. You can email a scanned copy of your dog's pedigree to me if you want. My email addie is under my profile or my homepage : www.vomsilbersee.com
Chris

 So you are talking about dogs 30 years ago. 30 years ago, is a bit too much for me to believe there is all this amazing influence, and it was the time of the split. Or was I not supposed to know this ?

If you were talking about dog from 5 years ago, or 10 years ago, I might take you seriously, but to go back 30 years and start telling me there is this tremendous influence, sorry, not going to happen. Then there is this HUGE assumption that it is those particular dogs that influence the dog I have with me now.

You keep going back to a time where the dogs were not so far off from each other as well. I was thinking you were going to mention a dog less than 30 or 40 years ago. It is all good to type a huge response, but it is the same thing. You are tellig me that 30 or 40 years ago, there were some showline dogs in my dogs pedigree. So fucking what ?? LOL

Quote: Jeff, can you title this dog to SchH3, breed survey and show him? It would be an asset for showline breeders without outcrossing to much!

How many dogs in the first 5 generations are the same ?? That is what constitutes an outcross. Answer that ??


I just don't get how you can think that 30 or 40 years ago has an influence. But then again, I have never seen one of your dogs work. Maybe that is what needs to be shown, because your theory is so bullshit to me, just bust out a video of your dog doing the Sch3 routine with you at the helm.

This way, if your dog rocks, then maybe I need to change my thinking. Theories are cute and all, but you have been doing this, AND are from EU, so lets see the dogs work. You show me some rocking work, and I will shut up.