Top GSD showline studs - Page 2

Someone stated that every dog has its strengths and weaknesses.  It is very hard to get accurate information about studs.  What are some of the strengths and weaknessess of our more recent VA males (USA & Germany).  Inquiring minds would like to know. 

I am a big fan of Yash myself, and Ork was heads above most other dogs at the USA SS this year.

I take it you are in the US, then? There is a very nice Dux son in TX, I trained a young male out of him with very high drive, very dry and athletic young male.

I was sad to not see Kaluv vom Whirling Thunder in person at the SS, if work ability is important to you, there are few showline dogs out there who can measure up to his sire. I look forward to the day I can see him in person, I have heard great things.

I think the "top" in reference to a stud dog is entirely relative. A well used VA dog with many high rated progeny in a show ring is not "top" at all to me if he cannot do the work, and neither do his progeny. A "top" dog to me is one is well rated in conformation (not necessarily VA) and can pass his own good health and workability on to his progeny.

Are you aware of this dog? www.traumhofgsd.com/Our_Boys.html In my opinion, the name "Kirschental" speaks for itself...and ZW of 69!!

I want a Kirschental dog myself for my next dog. And if I don't manage to get one, then I want a Traumhof dog. Karen Priest (Traumhof) does HGH herding with her dogs the same as Karl Fuller (Kirschental) did when he was able. Most of those dogs can work. They can trot all day long. They have good instincts. And they have good conformation.

This is a good topic; howbeit, one could be putting their head on the chopping block if they would honestly speak here openly of some of the information they have on some "top" stud dogs and the quality (or lack thereof) they are producing. I've always said, its one thing for a male to be outstanding.  It's another thing altogether for him to produce and pass on his quality to progeny.

Videx gives a decent overall feedback on top dogs at shows and their progeny-check his Impressions I think they're called. Something like that.

First off, consider your location. Where are you? What kennels/owners if any are you even close to within reasonable driving distance with a higher caliber male? What do they have to offer at stud? How far are you willing to drive to get to a stud? How much are you willing to pay?   "Live cover"  (normal natural breeding) is your best bet-dealing with doing AI with shipped semen, etc significantly lowers your potential for conception and is expensive. A nice V-rated SchH3 blk/red show male's stud fee average ballpark is $1000.

Look for breeding that will harmonize with your bloodlines in your pedigree; not exactly the same, but maybe a line-breeding if not too close.  Or a 'type' breeding (type is like putting together Ursus Batu and Esko Danischenhof, for example).

Watch the AGE on some older stud dogs-prostate issues and such make older dogs for breeding hit/miss. I've heard of 2 very impressive studs who are no longer breeding now to no longer being fertile. One just turned 7, the other is 9. No, not bruscellosis related. Just probably used alot and finally give out.

  Yes, the Kirschenal name speaks for itself, part of what I refered to as some of the "foundation" breeders responsible for some of the finest GSDs today...I did go to your site and looked at "our boys" saw Sherry and he is a very nice looking gsdI want to give him a good look see and then possibly pass his name along to the breeder we're using...

  I am in the USA, we are on the west coast of Florida located about an hour and half or so from the breeder we're using...From what I know of our breeder, they go where they have to go to do what needs to be done...They are more into the "German" blood lines rather than the blood lines of "American" type" GSDs...Which is my preference as well, am not looking for an "American type stud"...Looking for quality...No arguments over one vs the other please...

  Again, thanks to all for taking the time to respond with some good adsvise,

  Rob

It isn't my site or my dog, I was just passing along info. ;) I wish.

Rob, I'll try to get back to you this evening.