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by Roxanne Schumann on 26 December 2005 - 04:12
Can someone tell me at what age it is OK to use a male dog as a stud dog? I know for females they should be 2 years of age but I was told that it's younger for males. I just want some more opinions.
by rolexgsd on 26 December 2005 - 05:12
The correct age of dog to start as a stud is between 15 to 18 months
by BarkPark on 26 December 2005 - 05:12
I think it is a good idea to wait until they are 2 and you can get the OFA. Maybe you can get the hips done before that but I'd wait until they were 2. Don't you think?
by Dawnmarie on 26 December 2005 - 06:12
I personally would wait until after 2, jmo
I want to make sure the stud dog at least lives passed 2. So many young dogs dying of GI stuff and other things, if its a genetic thing in the bloodline you wouldnt want to really use that male with a female that might carry the same genetic predisposition for it too..
althought OFA is not the cureall, most wait to get that ontop of the "a" stamp before breeding, i am guessing the dam owner would want to know as well so they can know this when deciding which bloodline to use incase they have some issues with hips somewhere behind them etc...
regards,
Dawnmarie
by neohaus on 26 December 2005 - 14:12
If going by the Standard...I believe the allowable age is 24 months and a bitch is 20 months.
by VHDOOSEK9 on 26 December 2005 - 17:12
<< "I don't know anything about the dogs good luck with the breeding". This was a USA regional breed warden>>>
Kyle,
Big difference in USA Breed Wardens and SV Breed wardens. Also for USA a Breed Warden for the Region is voted in and a Breed Warden for club just volunteers to be, either way not much emphasis (other than recommendation) on knowledge of breeding, history of the breed or lineage. A Regional Breed warden telling you they don't know anything about dogs is a STUPID thing on their part and they should spend a little time educating themselves. As far as qualification for a Stud dog he should have at minimum KKL, which in turn requires the titles, Ad, Hip x-ray and conformationa rating.
Uwe
by Dog1 on 26 December 2005 - 19:12
I would not expect a breed warden to give breeding advice. That is not their position. Their position is to provide the services of a breed warden to the USA organization. Using this position to recommend studs or otherwise give advice is outside these responsibilities.
It also opens up a set of circumstances that are not favorable. What happens if the breed warden suggests a mating and there are problems with the litter? This could be a mess. I can see a situation where a breed warden says; "I think this male is the best male for your female."
Pups leave at 8 weeks. Turns out all are longcoat pups with heart murmers and the males don't have testicles. Breeder is sued by all the puppy owners for producing a crappy litter. Breeder's lawyer sues USA for the litter and all the costs involved as one of their breed wardens suggested the breeding.
by VHDOOSEK9 on 26 December 2005 - 19:12
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You can give me advice to jump off a bridge, but that doesn't make you liable for my actions.
My statement was not for a breed warden to tell you what to breed to what , but to have a LITTLE more education so as not to stand there looking like an idiot telling breeders they doen't know nothing and good luck. Breed Wardens are to guide and educate novice breeders and make sure the paperwork is correct regarding registration.
Trust me, we breed wardens and tattooers have absolutly no control over the many shit breeders that have no real jobs and make a living of of how many pups they sell and the ones that do a partial tattooing of litters and switching of papers and all the other corrupt crap that goes on with the money makers that make it a bad situation for those legitimate breeders trying to actually improve the breed rather than fill their pocketbooks.
Breed Warden
4.2 Responsibilities
4.2.1 Maintains close, cordial relationship with all breeders of German Shepherd Dogs within the framework of his or her coverage area. The Breed Warden acts on behalf of the United Schutzhund Clubs of America and is functionally responsible to the organization via the Regional Breed Warden.
4.2.2 When requested, provides guidance to the novice breeder in regards to the selection of partners and provides overall basic information to those who are seeking knowledge.
by D.H. on 26 December 2005 - 19:12
I disagree with KKL being minimum. The SV does not require it. It is desired, by no means required.
If outside of Germany with no or few KKLs available then breeding to your countrys breeding requirements should be the guideline to go by. Many countries have very destinct rules and requirements for breeding under their kennel club. Given the AKC having virtually none, as do several other countries, then breeder ethics should be your guide. Same goes for working titles. Not everyone has the good fortune to be close to a club or has the funds to send a dog off for titling. Do what is within the possible. Shows are widely available for example, to check at least once if the dog conforms to the standard, according to an independent opinion. Often basic obedience training is also widely available, if not with a club there are many private trainers. Tracking can be done alongside other breeds (ie retrievers), so can herding. Agility is also very popular. Look for options if SchH is not available. And proper health screening, such as for HD, should always be a given.
Males can physically breed before puberty but are fertile usually only once they enter puberty. They are not physically harmed by using them early like a female can. If used too young sperm quality may be inadequate for conception though. Once the healthy dog is through puberty that is not an issue any longer. However, males mature slower than females and waiting until their body has matured gives the breeder a much better idea of what he is actually looking at.
by D.H. on 26 December 2005 - 20:12
Guidance from a breed warden should IMO not be a recommendation on a specific breeding and its possible fit/outcome from the limited numbers of breed wardens available outside of Germany. A breed warden cannot be on the up and up on all lines. Usally the breed warden is also a breeder, either of working lines or of show lines. If asked an opinion of what s/he is not familiar with (ie working line breeder/breed warden about a show line breeding) then that simply cannot be of much help. And it is not a breed wardens job to learn about ALL possible lines and dogs out there just to give an opinion. Providing "overall basic information" is very different from a very specific breeding question. But a breed warden could/should put someone with such a question in touch with a person with more knowledge on the subject. Or at least suggest to contact other breeders more familiar with the lines. Again, in the US the access to much needed resouces are far too limited and should not be compared to what is available in Germany, where every local club (Ortsgruppe, or OG) has a breed warden, and there are some 2200 of them... A far cry to what is available in the US. In Germany the breed warden from one OG would refer such an inquiry to the breed warden of another OG more suited to answer the question.
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