Lines that improve bones and hip quality - Page 2

 Any thoughts on these breedings?

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/para.utkoma?fadir=548108&modir=537548

This would be the pedigree and line breeding for talon and onex




This one is Talon and Zena

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/para.utkoma?fadir=548108&modir=602437


There pretty much the same line breeding. I am very good friends with the owner of onex and i watched her grow since 8 weeks until about two years old and she is an amazing female. She shows all the same personality that my Talon does in every way.  Very fast learner , athletic, small build, love for obedience, insane ball drive and a real deep nose. I am hoping that they are alike do to Prandy in the pedigree. 

I contacted the owner of Zena and she was very helpful and said she would be glad to breed to talon assuming hips turn out well but she is in hawaii so that will be a little more difficult. I plan on keeping a female when one of these take place but that wont be for a while. 

Im interested to know which breeding you all think is better? Thanks for the input in advance.

 On theis female again you hust do research on the hips. There is bunch of info missing.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/602437.html

Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com

 Just out of curiosity PRAGER what lines from your czech lines would improve hips but keep the drives and trainability. Im assuming my male was the stud. I love learning this stuff and thanks for responding.

4th blood line -> Norbo Ben Ju with Titus connection. prefferebly linebred :NORBO's blood should be used everywhere where you need to improve health, strength of nerves and the strength of constitution type and hips.
Norbo Ben Ju


Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com

very nice looking boy there Prager

When it comes to size and substance, Nature can play plenty of tricks on breeders.  Many many times Ive seen size skip a generation and come through again in a subsequent second generation.  I've seen small dogs that produced much more size and substance than they personally possessed.  Likewise, I've seen some magnificent large substantial dogs who consistently produced small fine boned progeny regardless of what they were bred to.  I've seen dogs who seemed to be "not there at all" in their progeny, the progeny consistently would favor the appearance of the other partner.  I've seen dogs whose producing ability is what most breeders covet, a dog of substance, size, good conformation, temperament, many good qualities and prepotency for strongly passing his or her own qualities on to his or her offspring.

Too much size and substance however, can lead to a loss of agility and speed in working.  Likewise, a lighter built dog will have a more fleeting sidegait in the show ring than a large solid heavy dog.  Many Schutzhund and police dog ftrainers will tell you that the best worker all around is a small quick bitch.  In situations where dogs have to do search work in the rubble of a fallen building etc, a smaller dog has a big advantage over a large heavy boned dog.


Few, if any, GSDs of today can equal the feats of some of the dogs pictured in the V Stephanitz book doing such things as scaling or going over objects at amazing heights.  There was a good reason that v Stephanitz insisted that the GSD remain medium sized and not be allowed to become too large or heavy boned

Yes I agree. Norbo is heavy in the picture above> Picture was taken here in USA when Norbo was old. Here is when he was on top of his agility and he could do any work.
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com

 Thats great stuff thanks prager

Who are some of Norbo's favored progeny?