Puppy guarantees....why? - Page 1

Just curious why people in the US seem stuck on having to have a health guarantee when buying a puppy? Most other places in the world don't offer any type of guarantee, yet they don't have problems selling their dogs/puppies.
What does a guarantee offer that quality, knowledgable breeding doesn't?
How many of you would only buy if you were given a guarantee? What do you expect that guarantee to cover?
How many of you buy puppies/dogs based on factors other than a guarantee?


I just find it a bit ironic that we(USA) import puppies/dogs all the time that don't come with any guarantee, yet complain when not given a guarantee here in the States.......

Crossing the pond makes them too sacred for faults? Seriously, I think Americans are used to getting guarantees for everything they buy, and pet stores probably started the trend back in the sixties.

Personally, I'd rather pay much less for the pup and take my chances.

Average puppy price in USA for working line is from $1200 to $1500. Average showline puppy price is from $1500 to $2000. Puppy prices in Europe average wl $550 and swl $700. Hence guarantee in USA for GSD puppies in my opinion is to justify the high sales pric Most breeders in USA will disagree with this but I think that this is the fact. Please note: neither average price started above does not include shipping. I'm not discussing shipping prices.

 Anyone with good business sense would not pay 2,500.00 up to 3,000.00 for anything without some kind of guarantee. THAT is just good practice.

Of course, most who spend that kind of Dollars buy from Reputation , did their homework, and know the lines or the breeder and have confidence that what they see is what they get and what is advertised is what you get.

I saw an ad yesterday that advertised the mother of a dog being sold as OFA GOOD when the dog is listed in OFA registry as FAIR>>.Definately a missrepresented fact and shows how easy it is to pass off a dog if you do not check it out before you rely on a guarantee.   Paper is cheap and in court many times Judges just do not rule in your favor , since a breeder surely must know what they speak of.

Just a typing error the ad holder will proclaim but if you do not call the hand before you pay 30,000.00 for that OFA FAIR hipped female and then find out later....YOUR fault so the paper means nothing..

YR

yellowrose,
What I can't figure out is why anyone would pay $2500-$3000 for a puppy to begin with with or without a so called guarantee. 
Sorry but reputation & having done your homework have nothing to do with spending that kind of money. I have found the exact opposite to be true. People that do their research, find out they can get awesome dogs for way less.
Makes sense why so many are now buying their pups overseas & avoiding these outrageous prices.

Just curious why people in the US seem stuck on having to have a health guarantee when buying a puppy? Most other places in the world don't offer any type of guarantee, yet they don't have problems selling their dogs/puppies.
What does a guarantee offer that quality, knowledgable breeding doesn't?
How many of you would only buy if you were given a guarantee? What do you expect that guarantee to cover?
How many of you buy puppies/dogs based on factors other than a guarantee?


I just find it a bit ironic that we(USA) import puppies/dogs all the time that don't come with any guarantee, yet complain when not given a guarantee here in the States.......



Because to many they feel the need to have that security blanket and also puppies here in the U.S. are overpriced and this is a way for breeders to justify the high cost that they charge.  Americans have this "air" of superiority and feel that "we" are smarter than everyone else and it just "makes sense and is smart" to have that guarantee.

Now with that being said, if you buy a dog domestically and pay that high price of $1500+ for a puppy, it DOES make sense to get the warranty.  I mean if it is offered then why not get it?  It gives many a sense of security and the idea that they won't get screwed over. *eye roll*.  The guarantee serves as a way to let some sleep with some sense of security.

I have 1 dog that has a warranty and 1 that doesn't.  Dogs that I look at now are overseas and warranties are not offered and I am ok with that.  A puppy is a crap shoot and if I was that concerned, I would get a older dog that hips done, health checks ok and I liked their work. I could careless about a guarantee as I spend more time looking at pedigrees and videos of the pups parents and grandparents. 

IMO I prefer the dogs bred overseas as their are better breedings offered and cost of puppies are cheaper.  Breeders overseas work their dogs day in and out which I appreciate.   I think many breeders talk shit about how you don't get guarantees when you buy overseas but then import those dogs, breed them over here, chrge a shit load of money for the pups and then say, "trust me as I give a warranty".

The problem with a warranty is that how many buyers do get a replacement puppy???  Did they have to have numerous back and forths with the breeder to finally get the replacement pup?  How many buyers actually get a replacement pup and keep the one they have?  How many people are willing to take on yet ANOTHER dog?  Many people sign up for just 1 dog and not 2.  The breeder hopes the buyer gets attached to the first dog and can't take in another so the breeder wins out.  Breeders don't have a money back guarantee as they are always replacement puppy only.  So guess who gets screwed???  So much for that warranty now!!!

So now the buyer is stuck with a dog that is messed up but at the sametime they can't take in another dog as they only wanted 1.  No refund or partial refund on the money they spent.

Ace, I can appreciate what you're saying, but BUYERS in US will NOT buy a pup or dog without a warranty. That is usually one of the foremost questions from a prospective buyer. I sold an obedience trainer a nine week old pup three years ago who specified first : safe with his baby daughter, then must be able to do excellent obedience, and if the she can do schH, well, that would be a "bonus" ( his words). Everything was working out great and so as things progressed, he trained her in schH. After two attempts to title her and failing first tracking, then protection, I got a bunch of complaints that this dog couldn't be titled. Guess what? I gave him another pup that was bred for sport, told him if he couldn't train her to a title, he needed to quit training. Three months later he got schH one on the first female and the second one( the replacement pup) is now sixteen months old and all I hear are brags about how super she is! So you can't lump all breeders in the US together. As an aside, I do not guarantee that any one can title a pup they get because no matter how great a puppy is, there is someone out there guaranteed will screw it up.

My female I currently have now, I purchased here in the USA (for $1200) from a breeder and did not get any guarantee. I did my recearch on her pedigree and then took my chances. Since I did do my research and for the most part knew what I was getting, I took my chances since all puppies are a crap shoot. Xena is OFA Hips - GOOD, elbows - NORMAL and DM - CARRIER. She is a fun dog to work, and I would do it all over again to get one like her.

maybe look at it from another angle ,
by not giving guarantees , some breeders can keep on breeding  to beautiful famous showline dogs , that will help sell the pups by name , but have lousy healthrecords  (see topic team marlboro )

same goes for some workingline breeders that will breed their so so bitches to a stud of name , and were  , or bitch , or male , or even both ,have lousy healthrecords

as for americans being used to something , yes , they rather buy a mediocre dog from famous parent(s) than a great dog from unknown parent(s)

since all the big events and such are in europe , most famous dogs are in europe