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by kamgsd on 17 August 2009 - 16:08
by oldkicker on 17 August 2009 - 16:08
by DannyJ on 17 August 2009 - 17:08
you will more then likely get all normal black/tan, especially using a typical modern show dog. i believe most of the very dark black/tan/ bi colours are very tough to find in the modern show dog. I believe this was more typical of the Mutz line... which is long way back now and if im not mistaken was phased out because of the colour the line produced. someone like Silbersee may be able to add to that.
with the sable you can get everything.
good luck
Dan Juros
www.hausjuros.com
by AmbiiGSD on 17 August 2009 - 17:08
No.
by gagsd4 on 17 August 2009 - 20:08
Blk/tan is dominant, so the blk/tan dog can carry another blk/tan gene, or bicolor gene, or black gene as each dog carries two color genes.
The blk dog will only carry black.
If the Blk/tan dog is from Euro showlines, it is not likely he carries bicolor or black. Therefore all pups from the two would (most likely) be blk/tan.
If he carries bicolor, you would have blk/tan and bicolor puppies.
If he carries black, you would have blk/tan and blk puppies.
--Mary
by eichenluft on 17 August 2009 - 21:08
molly
by katjo74 on 18 August 2009 - 00:08
Bi-color is a color all to itself-you don't get bi-color simply from breeding blk/red to black. You get it from dogs who have bi-color in their pedigrees or who are bi-color themselves.
If this black bitch has any colored hairs in between her toes or underneath on her footpads, be aware she is genetically either a bi-color or super dark sable herself, not a 'true' black. The chances of you seeing black pups from a combo with a female like this and a blk/red male will be very low. You will more likely see blk/reds blanket backed like Molly said.
Some blk/red show line GSDs carry the black gene, but some do not (I have 3 blk/red show line GSDs who do carry the black gene). There's no way to know for certain unless the blk/red stud you consider has been bred with black in the past has produced black pups from such.
I would primarily consider what I'm producing puppies for in the first place and what I would be expecting from the progeny, too-that also should decide what kind of stud to use-not merely his color.
by kamgsd on 18 August 2009 - 01:08
The reason I would want to breed to the show line over the working line is I do not like to high of a drive in my dogs. I want them to be what they are bread to be but not taking the skin off of my kids’ ankles :) I’m not looking to get an all black show line dog I just want the best color and structure I can get from my dogs, as well as stable minded, the darker the better for me :) I just have a lot of respect for the breeders that have chosen to go down this road with the work/show cross dogs and there are some really great looking dogs coming from that set up. That is my plain with this breeding. I’m just starting out with this endeavor so I just want to be sure I do it right.
So thanks to all for your replies to this post, I will go ahead and breed her to my male and see what comes of it.
by SchHBabe on 18 August 2009 - 02:08
by Jamille on 18 August 2009 - 03:08
This is a basic example of what you would get. Black working Dam, Black/ Red Showline Sire
She is 1 yr in this photo
Here she was at 8 weeks
Here is a 19 month old Half brother same mother by different Showline Sire
Here he is at 5-6 weeks
Just to give you some different views of color and how they change as they mature.
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