Which lines/breeders would YOU choose to protect your family? - Page 9

 For my own safety I like rifles and pistols. If you are not bullshitting, and actually want to claim 33 years of experience, then I have not idea why you need anyone on heres help.

Luckily, I need no rifle or pistol, or dog. 

Also yoshy, as appealing as the idea of a fully trained ppd is, i don't think the dynamic of introducing an adult ppd dog to my situation would work out well.

jeff, i wish your reading comprehension score was as big as your mouth, unless you disagree with the notion someone could spend 33 years around one breed and be completely incapable of evaluating said breed which sounds exactly like the substance of many of your "drunken rant" sounding diatribes.

I have said many times that you cannot put 2 dogs together and expect them to produce a 50/50 mix of them. Some dogs produce themselves over and over no matter who they're bred to, and some never produce themselves and you get what I call "wildcards." I think we can all pretty much agree that total outcrosses are more likely to produce these wildcards (which may end up fantastic) than proven "type to type" breedings, which I prefer. Of course we still try to complement and improve with the pairing, but I personally try to maintain this type to type mentality as much as possible in what I consider the most important/significant aspects of both temperament and structure.

Reading the rest of this thread, I have to disagree that THE PAIR has to have produced proven pups previously in order to get what you want out of a certain litter. For example, let's say you have a stud who is consistently producing the traits he possesses after being bred to say 4 or 5 different bitches of totally different lines. That's a strong producer, and IMO, a top prospect to sire what you want. Of course, the dam plays an equal or more important role IMHO, so choose wisely, but my point is, some previous knowledge of what that dog has produced individually (meaning when bred to different dogs) is a great way to stack the cards in your favor.
 
I feel bitches who produce themselves regardless of sire are even more valuable than a stud, and therefore I thank my lucky stars daily for my good fortune of finding Capri. She produces what people who know her call "Mini-Capris." Her pups are just like her, and this has been with 2 TOTALLY different studs- one was a DDR dog in Germany, and one was Steinig Tal's stud, V Chico vom Inheidener See, which many of you on here will know a thing or two about his temperament and breeding. Chico and Capri are bred more similarly than the sire of her first litter, so I had a really good idea what would come out of that (and I got exactly that, so far so good), so it wasn't as impressive to me as the results of her first litter, which were apparently clones of herself in a few different colors. When I say it wasn't as impressive to me, I don't mean the puppies; I mean the fact that they all came out acting just like I expected, whereas the first litter,due to totally different dogs (on paper/pedigree) I was a teeny bit nervous that I'd have a litter w/varying temperaments.

I think a lot of wildcards can be avoided even in pairs who have not been bred if you stick to type to type and a certain line. In another thread where Jeff is hounding me and trying to crucify me, I'm discussing my friend's catch dog's upcoming breeding to one of my females. While these 2 particular dogs have never been bred, I'm not terribly concerned about wildcards, as their lines are proven lines, and well-known for producing the "type" over and over. His lines have several PSDs in there as well as the sport titles, I know several dogs in his ped. and also own close relatives,  and her lines include certain lines known for herding capabilities, and I know the temperament of several other dogs in her pedigree, as well as siblings, and they have a definite hardness to them, which I think will go nicely. This is a DDR/Czech breeding combining 2 really nice pedigrees, which is why I'm not worrying (any more than normal) about unknowns. The dog in front of you is the most important thing, but again, you're only stacking the cards higher in your favor if you have that extra insurance of proven lines. Add the fact that I know the dogs' siblings and parents' and close cousins, and I'm feelin' pretty damn good.

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Let's face it; look at the majority of breeders who breed the same pair over and over. They are for the most part, BYBs w/2 mediocre dogs that they breed once or twice a year. Do they produce consistently? I bet they do- too bad it's mostly crap. There are exceptions, of course, but the fact is, you can use an outside stud quite easily. Why not go to an outside stud who will be PERFECT for your bitch (or as close to perfect as you can get dealing with living beings) and just pay a fee instead of breeding your bitch to a dog you already own just because it's easier? There are professional breeders who can choose the right stud to complement a handful of bitches; I am not disputing this at all and I have a few in mind. My comments are toward the AVERAGE "breeder" who owns all the dogs they breed. I don't think you can honestly say you're trying to improve the breed if you don't leave your own property, especially when you're starting out and haven't the mega $$$ it takes to own a world class stud.

 Quote: jeff, i wish your reading comprehension score was as big as your mouth, unless you disagree with the notion someone could spend 33 years around one breed and be completely incapable of evaluating said breed which sounds exactly like the substance of many of your "drunken rant" sounding diatribes.

I cannot tell you how many very nice people have been in dogs for more than that amount of time, and still have no clue. For all I know, you could have had 3 GSD's in that amount of time.

I don't drink, so where exactly does it sound like a drunken diatribe ? 

Are you discrediting me ?? HOW DARE YOU.

Jeff, you are missing what he said. That's exactly what he meant, I believe. He has had years and years of experience, but is not confident enough in his own abilities to evaluate a dog because he has not had hundreds of dogs in those years, just a few. Could be wrong but that's how I took it.

look jeff, you basically call me a liar knowing nothing about me. I don't discredit you, however your propensity around here for brazenly attacking others from your self appointed throne is well documented in these "rants". The ability to recognize one's weaknesses is in itself, strength. Your constant failed attempts at asserting yourself by tearing others down is an indictment on your own inadequacies and insecurities. You can dish it but you can't take it. (how dare you, you say). You would and have accused others of being thin skinned; ironic. If you would admit to your own weaknesses, you might not be relegated to the emotional capacity of an adolescent for the rest of your life.

Hey there Carlin!

I'm glad that you initiated this thread and after reading that have you a history of 33 years of limited experience with the breed I did the math and realized I am superior to you, having 35 years of limited experience (4 GSD's, 1 Malamute, 1 Golden Retriever, 1 Daschund)  with the breed. (Laugh!)  Sounds like we are on a similar quest in some respects and there has certainly been some very good input into this topic from some very knowledgable and experienced people, often having different points of view.  At least one of them is about half my age (Yoshy) and therefore can't possibly know as much as I should (Laugh Again!) but Hey, I'll lend him my ear, I might actually learn something...

Good Luck in your Quest,

SteveO

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Save your breath on Jeffy, I don't think he's worth responding to, although I have actually read a couple of his posts that were worthwhile. (JMHO)

 

Carlin do you have any dogs or breeders you are looking at now that you care to share I would be happy to give you my opinon on what I see