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by Ruger1 on 22 July 2011 - 17:07
| Ulk von Arlett (RIP), Ursus von Batu (RIP), Hill von Farbenspiel, Andrjuscha van Noort, Panjo von Kirschental .... |
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Laius vom Moorbeck .....
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/51528.html
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by Ruger1 on 22 July 2011 - 17:07
Never mind with the GSD, I'm getting one of these little nippers..
Super cool video...Watch the end too..
by Sunsilver on 22 July 2011 - 18:07
by Jeff Oehlsen on 22 July 2011 - 22:07
Of course that is what I said. That is EXACTLY what you should of read there. There is no way that what you just said there could make you look better than your original statement, which was;
QUOTE: I love working dogs that with every correction swing to rip my arm off.
Now, unlike a lot of people, I figure that if you send me your dog for training, and "every correction" the dog is swinging to "rip" my arm off, either I am full of baloney, and exagerating to make my point sound better, or, I cannot train for shit, and I am walking around with a dog randomly correcting as hard as I can, as I am used to a softer dog, and in my frustration, I am going overboard, AND the dog, having no idea who I am, retaliates, which you then say is bad temperament, which lets face it, is a huge crock of shit, you are just not good at training dogs.
Yes, I have been training dogs since I was 7 years old. YES, I have had to deal with people like yourself my whole entire life, and yes, I liked them as people, they were not able to deal with dogs with any sort of character at all. LOL
So, lets look at a likely scenario, shall we ? The dog is brought to you for training, has been buck wild all his life, due to the owner just being God damn dumb. So, you take the dog, put it in a crate and talk to the owner, finish up the business with them and a while later, you go to work the dog.
The dog, who has ALWAYS been buck wild, is now a bit subdued, do to the new area, and you do some training with it. Not much need for a hard correction because the dog is still getting it's feet under it.
Two days later the dog is now buck wild again, and you can hardly get him off of you, and you correct him hard. He has no idea who you are, but that hurt, and as he is not a grown dog, not mature enough to bite you, so he gives you the look.
This is not bad character or temperament. He does not know you, and you have given him a hard correction. Is a dog that is going to defend his family supposed to put up with this behavior from a person he doesn't know ? LOL
We do have different definitions of character. The fact that you DID NOT get bit showed that the working lines you have trained either are a bit weak, or immature.
When I was a kid, the one thing I would NEVER DO was correct someone elses GSD or Dobermann in an OB class, but I would take the dog, then say when I would correct, how hard, and WHY. LOL
by Abby Normal on 22 July 2011 - 22:07
Brynjulf - I have never heard an explanation of a use to the 'roach' before, (excuses as to why it is there, often assertions that it is *not there at all*), but never a 'use', and I too have to disagree with you. Look at the video of the Dutchie, that is a package of flexion, extension, muscle, energy and agility (not even going to talk about working ability LOL), can that dog jump?- would a roach improve on that? No it wouldn't, it would impede it, just like it currently impedes the SL that are afflicted with a roach back. IMO the roach IS ugly, is incorrect and is an impediment to any dog.
BTW I loved Ravi's dog, so am not especially anti showline, just sorry to see what is happening to them.
by 4pack on 22 July 2011 - 23:07
You do not need a dog that is handler sensitive to get a dog that doesn't come up the line at you. This thinking is totally incorrect.
by Jacko on 22 July 2011 - 23:07
by Ruger1 on 23 July 2011 - 02:07
Jacko,...lol..
It has been a pretty civil thread actually..I have gained some understanding of the differences between show line and working line ways of thinking....
If you can recall other threads that have good discussion on this topic would you mind posting a link to it ....Thanks...: )
by Sunsilver on 23 July 2011 - 03:07
The explanation for the roach that i've been given is that it makes the back strong, like the arch of a bridge. There was a popular Sieger during the 50's, Rolf v Osnabruckerland (sorry, not sure if I spelled that right) who had a 'dippy' back, and threw a lot of progeny with dippy backs. Apparently, the roach developed as a way of counteracting the weak backs produced by his lines.
Frankly, I think the explanation and the reasoning behind it are a bunch of B.S. Comparing a dog's back to a rigid structure like a bridge is ludicrous. However there are many showline people who will swear that the roach back is a stronger, better back than a straight back.
by Donald Deluxe on 23 July 2011 - 04:07
http://www.germanshepherddog.com/regulations/breed_standard.htm
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