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by happygsd on 25 October 2010 - 21:10
No fear did you get a wee bit mixed up there? l take it you meant buyer put this to bed. Read the facts before you make a fool of yourself as well. Facts are on other posts regarding her activities as a pup, also bear in mind the owner is nothing but trouble. You say about guarantees who gives out three year ones? if you think really hard your answer will be no one. These things happen and as long as parents have good hip scores there should be no come back. She lets her pups free run so does that mean shes going to go to the other breeders when she finds out their hips are bad? do you think thats acceptable?. It would be interesting to hear from the breeders of her other two pups to see how they feel about this matter. l bet they are having sleepless nights when they read this crap....... NOT. If you have so much knowledge then you should be aware of how careful we must be in the first year of the pups life, short walk no free running with other dogs and certainly no jumps, all of which can damage the young pups hips. Stop placing blame on the breeder and take your rose tinted glasses off this will allow you to see where the blame lies.
by Videx on 25 October 2010 - 23:10
re: sale of livestock in the UK - Caveat Emptor remains very significant
"When you buy goods from a private individual, you do not have the same rights as when buying from a trader. The legal principle of caveat emptor ('buyer beware') operates. You have no rights to expect that goods be of satisfactory quality or fit for their purpose, but there is a requirement that they should be 'as described' and that the seller has the legal right to sell them, for example ownership. You should check goods thoroughly before you buy them."
"An agreement for the sale of a dog will include both “express terms” (those terms which were specifically agreed between the parties) and “implied terms” (terms implied by conduct or the law).
In an agreement for the sale of a dog it will be an express term that the seller will sell to the buyer the dog and that the buyer will pay the seller an agreed amount for the dog. In many instances nothing more may have been said by the parties at the time when the agreement was made. However, the agreement will contain certain other terms implied by the law. Certain terms may, for example, be implied by the Sale of Goods Act 1979, as amended by the Sale and Supply of Goods Act 1994.
The Sale of Goods Act 1979 implies into a contract for the sale of goods certain terms relating to the quality of the goods being sold where such goods are sold in the course of a business. However, in the case of the sale of a dog because the purchase of an animal is an unknown quality a Court may be reluctant to imply terms as to the quality of the dog, unless a defect is known to the seller or is very obvious to the seller.
As a general rule the principle “caveat emptor” (“let the buyer beware”) applies to the sale of animals and, therefore, the buyer will ordinarily be responsible for checking the suitability of a dog before purchasing it."
"When you buy goods from a private individual, you do not have the same rights as when buying from a trader. The legal principle of caveat emptor ('buyer beware') operates. You have no rights to expect that goods be of satisfactory quality or fit for their purpose, but there is a requirement that they should be 'as described' and that the seller has the legal right to sell them, for example ownership. You should check goods thoroughly before you buy them."
"An agreement for the sale of a dog will include both “express terms” (those terms which were specifically agreed between the parties) and “implied terms” (terms implied by conduct or the law).
In an agreement for the sale of a dog it will be an express term that the seller will sell to the buyer the dog and that the buyer will pay the seller an agreed amount for the dog. In many instances nothing more may have been said by the parties at the time when the agreement was made. However, the agreement will contain certain other terms implied by the law. Certain terms may, for example, be implied by the Sale of Goods Act 1979, as amended by the Sale and Supply of Goods Act 1994.
The Sale of Goods Act 1979 implies into a contract for the sale of goods certain terms relating to the quality of the goods being sold where such goods are sold in the course of a business. However, in the case of the sale of a dog because the purchase of an animal is an unknown quality a Court may be reluctant to imply terms as to the quality of the dog, unless a defect is known to the seller or is very obvious to the seller.
As a general rule the principle “caveat emptor” (“let the buyer beware”) applies to the sale of animals and, therefore, the buyer will ordinarily be responsible for checking the suitability of a dog before purchasing it."
by Trotters123 on 26 October 2010 - 00:10
I agree with most of the people on this thread regarding the sale of this pup.......The breeder did everything correctly and this person who had 'slandered' her on a public forum is the one who is wrong and I wish this to back fire on her.
My reason for commenting is that I took time out of my busy day to type in various spellings of the bitch in questions name on the Kennel Clubs Health results page with no success.
So maybe, if this woman wants SOME credibility she should furnish us with the correct spelling, which she will find on the KC reg Certificate! I know this won't go to sort out this problem but it will prove the dates she is saying and will go in some small way that what she says about the timings is correct!
I wait in antisipation!
I would love to be in the Court room when this was brought forward. In truth the County Courts, Scottish and English would not allow this as it would be wrongful but ooooh! I would love to see the look on this womans face when it would be found against her! and the case dismissed. Would she be curtious enough to write a public apology to Sue? Probably not.
FRANK
My reason for commenting is that I took time out of my busy day to type in various spellings of the bitch in questions name on the Kennel Clubs Health results page with no success.
So maybe, if this woman wants SOME credibility she should furnish us with the correct spelling, which she will find on the KC reg Certificate! I know this won't go to sort out this problem but it will prove the dates she is saying and will go in some small way that what she says about the timings is correct!
I wait in antisipation!
I would love to be in the Court room when this was brought forward. In truth the County Courts, Scottish and English would not allow this as it would be wrongful but ooooh! I would love to see the look on this womans face when it would be found against her! and the case dismissed. Would she be curtious enough to write a public apology to Sue? Probably not.
FRANK
by Videx on 26 October 2010 - 08:10
The parents & grandparents of this female have the best hip grade in Germany - 'a' normal
The breeder has done everything possible to ensure excellent hips in this litter.
The nature of the disease hip dysplasia (HD) is such that NO breeder can guarantee that any litter bred from such excellent hip grades will result in the whole litter having excellent hip grades.
All a breeder can do is be reasonably confident that the chances of excellent hip grades in the offspring from such a mating, is significantly improved.
The breeder has done everything possible to ensure excellent hips in this litter.
The nature of the disease hip dysplasia (HD) is such that NO breeder can guarantee that any litter bred from such excellent hip grades will result in the whole litter having excellent hip grades.
All a breeder can do is be reasonably confident that the chances of excellent hip grades in the offspring from such a mating, is significantly improved.
by Penny on 26 October 2010 - 08:10
From what has been revealed on this forum, this buyer needs to make an apology to the way she came on here and has treated Sue. From the face of it, I felt it was not an issue to be brought to this board, and there was obviously more to it than met the eye, as some said.
Then as it unfolded, this buyer was found to be wanting all along the line, and was totally discredited by facts against her.
Let us also remember that 33 : 34 is a hip score that one would not want to breed from, but the dog itself has an even set of hips, and has a lower score than many that have gone on to live a normal and lively life. Champion Oakheim Claudette to name one with a total score of 66, not a better mover, or a better constructed female of her time, and didnt suffer with any probllem from her hip status.
Beautiful Champion dog being shown at present, but not at stud, excellent dog, with good movement and no ill effects, so lets remember this is a number, a mean value to allow us to not breed from such, it isnt giving the animal a terminal illness.
This seller should be ashamed of herself after all that has come out of this, and no doubt she is. Hopefully Sue, who I am sure will have been aware of this thread, will gain some solace whilst she is looking after her very ill dog, from knowing that all are behind her that matter. mo
Then as it unfolded, this buyer was found to be wanting all along the line, and was totally discredited by facts against her.
Let us also remember that 33 : 34 is a hip score that one would not want to breed from, but the dog itself has an even set of hips, and has a lower score than many that have gone on to live a normal and lively life. Champion Oakheim Claudette to name one with a total score of 66, not a better mover, or a better constructed female of her time, and didnt suffer with any probllem from her hip status.
Beautiful Champion dog being shown at present, but not at stud, excellent dog, with good movement and no ill effects, so lets remember this is a number, a mean value to allow us to not breed from such, it isnt giving the animal a terminal illness.
This seller should be ashamed of herself after all that has come out of this, and no doubt she is. Hopefully Sue, who I am sure will have been aware of this thread, will gain some solace whilst she is looking after her very ill dog, from knowing that all are behind her that matter. mo
by gorsefield on 26 October 2010 - 09:10
Don't often get involved with this sort of slagging off, but from an old fashioned point of view here is my tuppeny worth.
I have a lovely bitch of 10 years old, it was my hope to breed from her but unfortunately she had a high hip score. I had no breeder to slag off, because I bred her myself, she is from many generations of my breeding (all low hip scores) and was kept to keep my line going, sadly that line has now ended. Sh*t happens, particularly in livestock breeding and it seems the OP is leaping into print a bit soon without giving Sue chance to deal with the situation. Again with my old fashioned hat on I am slightly puzzled why anyone would buy a long coat to start a breeding line, but I do realise that l/c are no longer sold off at a lower price as they used to be. :)
Oh and back in the 1980s I had a bitch with a hip score inthe 90s, she consistently won classes on her movement, including veteran classes, and never had a days lameness in her life,I lost her at nearly 13 from cancer, a high hip score does not need to shorten a dogs life.
by Penny on 26 October 2010 - 09:10
How very true - excellent post to put things into perspective Gorsefield. Mo.
by lidia on 26 October 2010 - 11:10
This is relatively simple.... and whats more none of our business.
So how come you're having as much to say about it ..................as usual?
Lidia
So how come you're having as much to say about it ..................as usual?
Lidia
by after6cpl on 26 October 2010 - 17:10
Thank very much for all of your input!! This argument is now closed.Trotters123 vienna,s kennel name is Kassieger Venessa.Reg num-AH05039604.When would there have been a good time to contact breeder about hip scores.
Sue has contacted myself and i thank her for that and i do apologise that my timing wasnt great.And im happy Sue was decent enough to get in touch even though it took a while not just the time i was on here,So thanks again and i apologise for slating you.
Sue has contacted myself and i thank her for that and i do apologise that my timing wasnt great.And im happy Sue was decent enough to get in touch even though it took a while not just the time i was on here,So thanks again and i apologise for slating you.
by missbeeb on 26 October 2010 - 18:10
On the 17th September 2010, Sue told you to get the plates scored (which you'd had done a year previously) and if they proved to be poor, she would stand by the offer she made to you on that same day!
You posted your vile rubbish on this thread before giving Sue 3 days (nursing a terminally ill bitch) to respond to you.
I see no point in highlighting how inadequate your sad excuse for an apology is... it is clear for everyone to see!
I hope every breeder remembers your name/s for when you try to purchase a pup from them... they should remember this thread, your appalling behaviour and what you've tried to do!
You can't fix stupid.
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