Breeder's code of ethics - Page 7

Thanks for posting!!  Very imformative..  

Too bad you haven't met more GSD breeders in the US, Daryl.
 

 Really, is that so?  Well, don't be shy, list here at least ONE "serious" breeder that is utilizing (in their breeding, of course) another US breeder's produced result.  Quit alluding to it, afraid to mention names, because it isn't a mudslinging contest when a FACT is a FACT.  You keep mentioning "plenty", "many" or whatever with the more subjective topic of "meeting minimum basic requirements", so how about giving specifics at least on what "serious" US breeders have US-bred dogs in their kennels?  I've tried that myself SEVERAL times, because it's what I believe in, but it has never ONCE worked out.

I can give you some examples of US SL breeders who are selling dogs to other US breeders who breed and show. Working line breeders will have to be provided by someone else.

Toni Brezel, Nadia Adams, Philip Eram, Yuliya Matveyeva, Charlie Starr, Kim Rall, Megan Judge, Heather Quinn, Donna Waldschmidt, John Walicki, Cynthia McMahan, Robert Kindberg, Sabrina Abbott, John Henkel, Jose Diaz, Rebecca Buchman, Yum Kee Fu, Tammy Langley, Patty Parks, Gayle Kirkwood, Edison Davalos, Helen Gleason, Bill Fleischer, Mittlewest,. These are from a recent show catalog and memory and I'm sure there are others I don't know.

I'm sorry, I know as much about showlines as you do workinglines, and they were furthest from my thoughts.  Seriously.

I neglected to mention a few WL breeders I learned of in NC last week.  Thomas Shroder (sp?) and Margaret Arabia. One of Arabia's dog earned his "V" rating and Shroder's male, 4th generation of his breeding, was used as the demo dog. I understand his WL dogs are popular with buyers.

I should also add Steve Miller to this list, a breeder who often places WL's and SL's he has bred with people who show and use his dogs for breeding.

I hope none of these breeders object to my mentioning them here.

Do they have kennel names?  I mean, if you're going to tell me these are serious breeders, then they probably have at least that, and some kind of evidence they are developing a continuous bloodline (with the inclusion of another USA breeder's bloodline).  And do more than SHOW, I hope.

One of the bad things about being a breeder in the U.S., is it's difficult to get a solid feel for how YOU are producing in your own program.  Only a third to a half of my puppy buyers express their desire to get involved in a working venue, and many of THOSE never do.  That many or less even submit their AKC papers AT ALL for registration, and fewer still xray hips/elbows for OFA.  That's a huge disadvantage to standing breeders and their future generations.


Couldn't agree more, it seems on this size of the pond not only do most buyers not xray, they are also not interested in titling/working their dogs. If you have all or most of your litter competing or working, it is easier. Otherwise lines just get lost.

Daryl, I'm not going to look  up every single kennel name and list it here. Would you recognize the SL's
anyway? As for the workinglines, those breeders are very well known in the GSD working world and I'd have thought you would recognize them and know their kennel names. Have you never heard of Steve Miller and Thomas Shroder?

No doubt about it, it takes a very long time to establish a reputation that will attract other breeders/trainers. That has always been one of the things that puzzled me the most about this breed, why don't more US breeders support other US breeders when there are more than a few breeding some very good dogs. Other breeds do, why not the GSD? Beats me. I don't get it either.

For some breeders, perhaps because of egos that serve only the best interest of themselves, their need for recognition, and to fuel their condescending air of superiority.  (To some, it would appear that I've just described myself, haha)  I have no illusions though, about the unimpressive appearance of my activities, and I can accept that.  I breed the dogs that please me, personally, and I don't expect to "fit in" or set any precedents here.  Impressively, the showline side of the breed appears to collaborate more effectively, and my limited experience would suggest that the GSDCA type american bred lines also do so.  That's a whole 'nother world altogether, though.  And, in my mind, another breed in itself.

You may not have any respect for the SL/other breed altogether breeders, Daryl, but they do health test, xray and title their dogs because they want to make it to the working class and earn a V rating. To most of the GSD world, that does demonstrate a good faith effort to breed the best they can.