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by Mel62368 on 24 April 2012 - 19:04
"Very few back yard breeders will take the time to do the homework on the potential stud and the health check for the female. Any puppies sold from my litter will be sold as house pets, nothing more."
Just curious why "Health checks" for the female? No hip/elbow certs on the Male? Also you only intended to ask the buyers of the females to spay? The buyers of the Male may do what they wish? Also just my opionon no one should be breeding for house pets, nothing more..
Melissa
Just curious why "Health checks" for the female? No hip/elbow certs on the Male? Also you only intended to ask the buyers of the females to spay? The buyers of the Male may do what they wish? Also just my opionon no one should be breeding for house pets, nothing more..
Melissa
by fawndallas on 24 April 2012 - 21:04
I did not breed for house pets only. Please review my other comments. The puppies sold will only be the ones that do not make the cut for service dog training.
Based on the temperment of both Rose and her stud (very mild in temperment), I do not expect any of the puppies to have a high enough prey or protection drive to qualify for that work. If a puppy does seem to have this type of temperment, I will look to engage someone from a police force to evaluate for use.
As for show dogs, since Rose is not registered and thus the puppies cannot be registered, I do not think they can be showed. I think part of "showing" requirements is that the dog is registered. I am not sure on this; there are others more experience in the show area that can qualify for this.
Ideally, I am hoping that all of the puppies will make the service dog grade. Reality tells me that I will be very lucky if 4 make the grade. Based on the breeding, I am hoping from that direction, I have added more odds to getting more dogs that will have the service dog temperment (as both Rose and the stud have).
The one female that I am considering selling is so far too hyper and excited for a service dog. In all fairness though, the pups are only 8 days old. I will not be able to start a better evaluation until 4 wks or more.
Based on the temperment of both Rose and her stud (very mild in temperment), I do not expect any of the puppies to have a high enough prey or protection drive to qualify for that work. If a puppy does seem to have this type of temperment, I will look to engage someone from a police force to evaluate for use.
As for show dogs, since Rose is not registered and thus the puppies cannot be registered, I do not think they can be showed. I think part of "showing" requirements is that the dog is registered. I am not sure on this; there are others more experience in the show area that can qualify for this.
Ideally, I am hoping that all of the puppies will make the service dog grade. Reality tells me that I will be very lucky if 4 make the grade. Based on the breeding, I am hoping from that direction, I have added more odds to getting more dogs that will have the service dog temperment (as both Rose and the stud have).
The one female that I am considering selling is so far too hyper and excited for a service dog. In all fairness though, the pups are only 8 days old. I will not be able to start a better evaluation until 4 wks or more.
by ggturner on 24 April 2012 - 21:04
I also wonder if the stud had health checks? Also, was the hip and elbow check on Rose only a vet's opinion or OFA?
Good luck with the litter. Service dogs are amazing so I hope some of the puppies can be used for this purpose.
Good luck with the litter. Service dogs are amazing so I hope some of the puppies can be used for this purpose.
by fawndallas on 24 April 2012 - 21:04
Yes, I made sure the stud had the same health checks and they were verified by my vet.
My vet did Xrays of the hips and elbows for the verification.
My vet did Xrays of the hips and elbows for the verification.
by ggturner on 24 April 2012 - 22:04
So no OFA? Not all vets are good at reading x-rays for hips and elbows (most vets don't have the expertise). My vet x-rayed one of my female gsds and said her hips looked "just fine." I sent them to OFA and found out she has HD. She is spayed. My male gsd had his hips x-rayed and the vet said they were "perfect" and they were the best hips they had ever seen in all the years they've practiced. OFA certified them as "good."
by fawndallas on 24 April 2012 - 22:04
So what my vet did was not OFC? What he did was not cheap. Did I waste my money?
by vomtreuenhaus on 24 April 2012 - 22:04
YES you wasted your money. Your vets opinion means NOTHING. You actually need to send the Xrays into the OFA to have them graded.
by ggturner on 24 April 2012 - 22:04
You have to get your vet to x-ray your dog and provide the form which you send to OFA. You then send the x-rays, the form, and a fee to the OFA to have your dog's hips/elbows evaluated by radiologists (http://www.offa.org/). In the U.S., you have no way of knowing that a dog's hips/elbows are good enough for breeding purposes until you have OFA results (or Penn hip results: http://research.vet.upenn.edu/Default.aspx?alias=research.vet.upenn.edu/pennhip).
by Bhaugh on 25 April 2012 - 02:04
After reading your requirements and although most of what you ask is a very well trained, well bred dog, asking a german shepherd to not show any "aggression" (or protective nature) ....my dear this just may not be the breed for the work you want. You are trying to breed out some of the very traits the breed is known for. It's kinda like trying to reinvent the wheel. I have had a few other herding breeds and they ALL show some aggression or protection. That is what they are and what they are bred to do. Why not consider a retrieving breed such as a lab or golden. I have a golden and he is fantastic. Soft mouth and super intelligent.
I will always be a true shepherd person but if I wanted a dog with the requirements you are looking for, I would choose something else.
I will always be a true shepherd person but if I wanted a dog with the requirements you are looking for, I would choose something else.
by Hundmutter on 25 April 2012 - 07:04
What Bhaugh said is basically why Guide Dogs for the Blind in UK now use 3/4 Labrador or Lab x
Golden Retriever stock for their dogs, and only a 1/4 or less GSDs despite the original Seeing Eye
dogs being Shepherds. There is another newish group in UK working with only GSDs for this purpose; but in the numbers game they are tiny. Some people still prefer or can walk better with a
GSD; other kinds of Assistance Dogs (Hearing Dogs etc) are generally mixed-breeds often from
shelters.
Golden Retriever stock for their dogs, and only a 1/4 or less GSDs despite the original Seeing Eye
dogs being Shepherds. There is another newish group in UK working with only GSDs for this purpose; but in the numbers game they are tiny. Some people still prefer or can walk better with a
GSD; other kinds of Assistance Dogs (Hearing Dogs etc) are generally mixed-breeds often from
shelters.
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