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by Shtal on 27 September 2011 - 03:09
Gouda, I do appriciate for stepping in and being a true friend, it wasn't necessary what you did, I'm fine, but still thank you.
Ruger1, I also apprciated that you cared for me and post it in my defends, after even Jenni changed your mind about me but it's okay!
YR, I know you are a good person, thank you for showing to this people how you felt about me regardless what people may say.
Gouda, people attack you because you speak up what you believe - and they don't aggree with you and make fun of you and you don't have such dog as mine.
Have a wonderful time guys!
From Shtal.
Ruger1, I also apprciated that you cared for me and post it in my defends, after even Jenni changed your mind about me but it's okay!
YR, I know you are a good person, thank you for showing to this people how you felt about me regardless what people may say.
Gouda, people attack you because you speak up what you believe - and they don't aggree with you and make fun of you and you don't have such dog as mine.
Have a wonderful time guys!
From Shtal.
by Slamdunc on 27 September 2011 - 04:09
Gouda
Im not a fan of PM,s,I like keeping things in the open,that way everyone knows what Im saying and thinking.
That is very funny. It is exactly the opposite of what you do, this thread proves that. What a bunch of crap.
Im not a fan of PM,s,I like keeping things in the open,that way everyone knows what Im saying and thinking.
That is very funny. It is exactly the opposite of what you do, this thread proves that. What a bunch of crap.
by Rik on 27 September 2011 - 12:09
didn't we go through this a year or so ago with shtal and gouda praising each other.
Ijmo,
Rik
Ijmo,
Rik
by Smiley on 27 September 2011 - 13:09
Shtal.......I feel your pain...been there. I am sorry that you had this experience with the breeder.
I think it was honorably for your friend, Gouda, to come to your defense. I do not want to put words in their mouth but I am sure they started the thread out of frustration for your situation. I totally and completely see their point. Plus, what a true friend to keep their promise to you.
I also agree with Gouda in a couple instances. To my naive eye, the WL breeders, are quite vocal about having the only "real german shepherds who can work". They sem to put a lot of other bloodlines down. It does bother me when they say this. I see a lot of WL dogs that have no type (they look like belgian malinois to me with incorrect coat and eyes) and have over the top drives. I did not know about the bad hips and elbows but I am not shocked as people overlook these things if their animal is a superstar in the ring.
I watched the video of the big show and the crowd hoots and hollers if a big dog comes flying in and bites hard and gets swung around. I think people would still breed to the dog if his hips and elbows were questionable as their end game is victory in the Sport Ring.
But, I have also seen a lot of REALLY beautiful WL dogs with great type and balanced temperaments that OFA with good hips and elbows. Same goes for ASL dogs.
In addition, I have seen GSL dogs that seem to do the ring sport just fine.
I think there are great representatives in all the different types and also very poor ones!
But, I do get sick of hearing that only WL dogs are true german shepherds blah-blah. It's not fair and it creates division in our breed. We need to support each other and recognize good points in each and also weaknesses.
However, more importantly I think .....we need to look at the individual dog and judge if that particular dog is what a breeder wants not just what his bloodline is.
I am sorry again for your experience with the breeder. I am pretty new to everything so this is just my take from someone standing on the outside and looking in. Thus, take my comments with a grain of salt!
Oh, for what it's worth......... I own a WL dog.
I think it was honorably for your friend, Gouda, to come to your defense. I do not want to put words in their mouth but I am sure they started the thread out of frustration for your situation. I totally and completely see their point. Plus, what a true friend to keep their promise to you.
I also agree with Gouda in a couple instances. To my naive eye, the WL breeders, are quite vocal about having the only "real german shepherds who can work". They sem to put a lot of other bloodlines down. It does bother me when they say this. I see a lot of WL dogs that have no type (they look like belgian malinois to me with incorrect coat and eyes) and have over the top drives. I did not know about the bad hips and elbows but I am not shocked as people overlook these things if their animal is a superstar in the ring.
I watched the video of the big show and the crowd hoots and hollers if a big dog comes flying in and bites hard and gets swung around. I think people would still breed to the dog if his hips and elbows were questionable as their end game is victory in the Sport Ring.
But, I have also seen a lot of REALLY beautiful WL dogs with great type and balanced temperaments that OFA with good hips and elbows. Same goes for ASL dogs.
In addition, I have seen GSL dogs that seem to do the ring sport just fine.
I think there are great representatives in all the different types and also very poor ones!
But, I do get sick of hearing that only WL dogs are true german shepherds blah-blah. It's not fair and it creates division in our breed. We need to support each other and recognize good points in each and also weaknesses.
However, more importantly I think .....we need to look at the individual dog and judge if that particular dog is what a breeder wants not just what his bloodline is.
I am sorry again for your experience with the breeder. I am pretty new to everything so this is just my take from someone standing on the outside and looking in. Thus, take my comments with a grain of salt!
Oh, for what it's worth......... I own a WL dog.
by Shtal on 27 September 2011 - 15:09
Smiley wrote: I think it was honorably for your friend, Gouda, to come to your defense.
I felt exactly, Thanks!
I felt exactly, Thanks!
by beetree on 27 September 2011 - 16:09
Yes, but why does Smiley think Gouda has not broken any promises with you, Shtal? And why are you happy letting Smiley think they understand what is going on here? Clearly there needs to be a re-reading to correctly understand that you are not the breeder of the dog Gouda's club member owns, before all the righteous in this mudpile start to smell like roses.
by Red Sable on 27 September 2011 - 16:09
I think Smiley thinks Shtal is the friend of gouda's that got the two crap dogs. Smiley is definitely confused.
by Smiley on 27 September 2011 - 17:09
Red Sable..yeah, I did think that...oops!!
Yeah, now I really am confused!! Oh, well. I was directing my post at the person who got the two bad dogs..I thought it was this Shtal but I guess I was wrong.
It's hard to figure out the posts as it seems like sometimes people are speaking a special language to each other!!
My apologies.. Carry on......
Yeah, now I really am confused!! Oh, well. I was directing my post at the person who got the two bad dogs..I thought it was this Shtal but I guess I was wrong.
It's hard to figure out the posts as it seems like sometimes people are speaking a special language to each other!!
My apologies.. Carry on......
by Red Sable on 27 September 2011 - 17:09
No problem Smiley, we actually do not know who the person is that got these two dogs, nor do we know who the breeder is, so we are all confused. 
by Smiley on 27 September 2011 - 18:09
Red Sable- Ok, I guess I don't feel as bad now for being so lost!!
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