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by darylehret on 27 November 2009 - 07:11
Lacking consistent similarity of his offspring among themselves, and they, a similarity to himself. Doesn't mean that's necessarily undesireable, it just matters who he's brought to produce with. I'm sure he'll make a lot of fine pups, just not as efficiently as possible.

by GSDGenetics on 27 November 2009 - 14:11
Photo of Leopold here too, winning an Advanced Rally A competition.
http://www.cnmgsdc.org/obedience%20&%20rally,%20sunday,%20March%2029,%202009.html
LEOPOLD VON LEBOLD SAIZ
Breeder: Walter Heitzinger
By Columbo Vom Buttelborner Land x Berta Von Heitzinger
Owner: Chris Saiz

by Prager on 27 November 2009 - 18:11
darylehret
With all due respect.
That is what
I thought that you have said and I just wanted to make sure. Now let me ask you this.
Where do you get this!!!?!
I have seen several litters produced by Carly and even have some pups from Carly held here for myself. I was in such a disbelieve when I have red your statement, that I have also talked to my partner about this. He is the one who produces these litters in Czech and who is a breed warden of GSD in Czech rep and who created some of these blood lines and he and I have together about 75 +- years of experience in breeding and training these lines for family, sport, police and S&R and many other working purposes and I would like to state that Carly's pups are very enviably consistent in size, color, temperament and drive and the pups are very similar in these aspects to the father who is very genetically dominant .Thus he is stamping his mark on his offspring superbly so far. By the way , we do know what we are going to produce way before the 2 dogs are put together. Thus I would not worry about spreding major disaster.
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com
With all due respect.
That is what
I thought that you have said and I just wanted to make sure. Now let me ask you this.
Where do you get this!!!?!
I have seen several litters produced by Carly and even have some pups from Carly held here for myself. I was in such a disbelieve when I have red your statement, that I have also talked to my partner about this. He is the one who produces these litters in Czech and who is a breed warden of GSD in Czech rep and who created some of these blood lines and he and I have together about 75 +- years of experience in breeding and training these lines for family, sport, police and S&R and many other working purposes and I would like to state that Carly's pups are very enviably consistent in size, color, temperament and drive and the pups are very similar in these aspects to the father who is very genetically dominant .Thus he is stamping his mark on his offspring superbly so far. By the way , we do know what we are going to produce way before the 2 dogs are put together. Thus I would not worry about spreding major disaster.
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com

by darylehret on 28 November 2009 - 00:11
I hope you two aren't planning a blanket party for me or anything. I tend to believe that a dog without structured linebreeding can produce himself consistently, but only if his parents were a match of strong equal type. Most do not carefully plan their breedings this way, and perhaps Policia Slovakia kennels do. I would have to congratulate them for operating with greater efficiency than most of our government run programs usually do.

by Prager on 28 November 2009 - 02:11
No, no blanket party, we usually just brake a knee cap or so. (Just kidding.) I have to say that I do like linebreeding and so does Jiri.
Also there is Iinebreeding in Carly in early generations. Ingo von Rudingen is there in seven generations 7 times or so. And there are some others. I know people say that it is too far back but it is not. The geneticaly strong dogs repeat themselves in their trades for many generations forward. Some trades go forward like a red line which then braides itself into a bunch from threads of the same type which came from different locations.. if I may. That is the case here. Strong type breeding is also present > Typebreeding on structure, color and workability.
Prager Hans
Also there is Iinebreeding in Carly in early generations. Ingo von Rudingen is there in seven generations 7 times or so. And there are some others. I know people say that it is too far back but it is not. The geneticaly strong dogs repeat themselves in their trades for many generations forward. Some trades go forward like a red line which then braides itself into a bunch from threads of the same type which came from different locations.. if I may. That is the case here. Strong type breeding is also present > Typebreeding on structure, color and workability.
Prager Hans

by darylehret on 28 November 2009 - 05:11
By the way, do you have a photo of his mother, Quinte Policia? Her sister Quanda has a fabulous build.
Quanda Policia

Quanda Policia


by Prager on 28 November 2009 - 19:11
No all I have found that she was sold for insufficient production from Slovak policia breeding program for 100sk About 3 dollars (?)
http://www.minv.sk/swift_data/source/policia/obstaravanie_a_ponuky/Priloha.pdf
http://www.minv.sk/swift_data/source/policia/obstaravanie_a_ponuky/Priloha.pdf

by darylehret on 28 November 2009 - 22:11
WOW. $4.64 now, the US dollar is so weak. That alone begs a lot of questions to be answered. It appears she was several years old at the time? Kind of like my knees the way they are, though. Any siblings of Carly that really stand out, or was he just a lucky roll of the dice?
by duke1965 on 30 November 2009 - 16:11
I think its kindoff funny for someone who is not a breeder , who doesnot know the dog carly policia slovakia , nor the bitches he is breeding , to say something silly like ;there wont be much uniformity in results
Daryll , you of all people should know the motherline is a very strong linebred line
faro policia -bero friedersdorfer flur-ex riedstern-ali vom granert
the way the faro pedigree is buildup is the way I like too see a pedigree ,not per se closely linebred , but linebred on a dog that is linebred itself and so on
also brony policia is a linebred dog
fatherline is a very strong pedigree , so my hunch is that carly bred back to his motherline or close to the troll/timmy line will give a good chance on uniformity in results
furthermore I saw carly in person , and must say he is something special , in looks as well as in drives and workingethics
Daryll , you of all people should know the motherline is a very strong linebred line
faro policia -bero friedersdorfer flur-ex riedstern-ali vom granert
the way the faro pedigree is buildup is the way I like too see a pedigree ,not per se closely linebred , but linebred on a dog that is linebred itself and so on
also brony policia is a linebred dog
fatherline is a very strong pedigree , so my hunch is that carly bred back to his motherline or close to the troll/timmy line will give a good chance on uniformity in results
furthermore I saw carly in person , and must say he is something special , in looks as well as in drives and workingethics
by duke1965 on 30 November 2009 - 16:11
I think its kindoff funny for someone who is not a breeder , who doesnot know the dog carly policia slovakia , nor the bitches he is breeding , to say something silly like ;there wont be much uniformity in results
Daryll , you of all people should know the motherline is a very strong linebred line
faro policia -bero friedersdorfer flur-ex riedstern-ali vom granert
the way the faro pedigree is buildup is the way I like too see a pedigree ,not per se closely linebred , but linebred on a dog that is linebred itself and so on
also brony policia is a linebred dog
fatherline is a very strong pedigree , so my hunch is that carly bred back to his motherline or close to the troll/timmy line will give a good chance on uniformity in results
furthermore I saw carly in person , and must say he is something special , in looks as well as in drives and workingethics
Daryll , you of all people should know the motherline is a very strong linebred line
faro policia -bero friedersdorfer flur-ex riedstern-ali vom granert
the way the faro pedigree is buildup is the way I like too see a pedigree ,not per se closely linebred , but linebred on a dog that is linebred itself and so on
also brony policia is a linebred dog
fatherline is a very strong pedigree , so my hunch is that carly bred back to his motherline or close to the troll/timmy line will give a good chance on uniformity in results
furthermore I saw carly in person , and must say he is something special , in looks as well as in drives and workingethics
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