Is this really a sable?

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by kamgsd on 19 August 2009 - 04:08

First of all katjo my user name is NOT the one that posted this issue! What are you talking about???? am i the only kathy in the world??? Why are you tring to make this issue about me? and no one said it was your website or a link to it in this post but you? your the one that let us all know who the owner of this pup was, not me. So why are you going after me for this??

kathy

by katjo74 on 19 August 2009 - 05:08

I can't copy/paste a 2nd pic here or else I would. I've been trying to.
There's a pic toward the bottom of our Photo Album that shows this female at around 4wks old in a clothes basket with her 7 siblings. She is in the lower left with her face turned sideways sleeping-clearly different than the other pups. And before anyone looks at the pic and screams 'blue', keep in mind her coloring is actually a reddish tan (not silvery as it appears in the pic-the color is caused by the flash) and her nose is indeed black-not typical of dilutes. We have gotten other opinions who tell us that this pup is not a dilute and is not a blk/red or blk/tan either...But this shows how she is definitely different from the rest of the siblings and what I have attempted to explain since this question was brought up here. http://www.richthofengermanshepherds.com/photo_album.html

Unfortunately, I have been subject to pathetic false accusations without just cause or proof here on this database website recently, so I am not so trustful of people here nowadays, especially when someone comes here and posts stuff about something I do without coming to me at least first. It's a shame it has to be that way; many people have PMed me for advice on planning breedings, have been obtaining my help for things, etc. I have always been ethical and more than helpful to anyone who shows themselves respectable in return. Now I understand some stuff Hodie told me thru PMs earlier this year and how she was considering leaving due to nonsense.

by Kaffirdog on 19 August 2009 - 10:08

Looking at the pic, this pup does not look like a sable, but a silver as depicted in Malcolm Willis genetics book. Apparently, they have the normal skin pigment, unlike a blue and the coat eventually darkens to normal black and tan. I think it crops up rarely, but it would explain the puppys odd colour at the moment. Would be interesting to see how her colour develops.

Margaret N-J

by crhuerta on 19 August 2009 - 14:08

Katjo74,

Your puppy is normal for black & tans.
SOME puppies are lighter as they are small, and low & behold......after the "shed" of puppy coat......normal black & red or black & tan.
If the puppy has solid black pigment on nose, gums, nails.....she is not as people would say..."dilute".
Also....keep in mind, sometimes dogs have "good pigment", but don't necessarily grow to have "full black masks and saddles".
I agree with Margaret, ...puppies are sometimes "odd" in color.....but develope later.

My original posts towards this topic, was purely to explain that you must have 1 sable parent to produce a sable puppy.
Being a breeder, it is something that you should be aware of, ..so you need not question it in the future.

Trust me I take no pleasure in "bashing, trashing" other breeders,.....and I don't have a "self rightous" bone.
Best of luck to you,
Robin

by cat1111 on 19 August 2009 - 15:08

katjo i'm happy to see you still remember me! even if your attacks were at a different person all the same i'm glad you still think of me! and as for people going after you personaly, well you brought that upon youself by saying this was your dog.

your making a fool of yourself without my help. keep up the good work!