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by Mrk on 27 May 2010 - 01:05
i may not be born in the usa or have perfect english and grammar but i still got the point across. now you want to change subject and jump on the way i type? i will end of my response to your post future post here.
by YogieBear on 27 May 2010 - 02:05
You looked really hard at my avatar to see that he is in a fence.. He is a mighty being and the fence- so far back... The fence is just a place to relax with.no worries....just relaxing....nothing expected of him...
Natural protection? - I am not sure how you define that - MRK - is that a dog that is frightened and barks at everything or bites in fear - or a dog that is sure of himself - or a yappy little dogs that bites at your heels and when you stomp at him he runs with his tail inbetween his tail? Some bark in fear - is that what you wish?
The fathers that flew the jets as well as the fathers before them had high enough IQ's to education their offspring - I think those fathers with the High IQ realized that their offspring would not successeed with out the education that they had. Or they would be the ditchdiggers of the world with out that education.. Just the IQ alone with out education would end up null and void. Only a fool of a father would think that just their genes alone would get them to the same place they were in life.
I don't need my dogs to protect. even though they do.. I got a shot gun name Bertha that has your name on it if you wish to enter..... Zelda is inside and she will say hey at the door as well.... In fact, you touch my dogs - my Bowie knife will do a meet and greet. But you know - I think each and everyone of my dogs would die for me - I feel the same for them. We have a bond.
I think that the animals take on the personality of their masters - the ones that stay true -the ones that have a sense of being - the ones that are brave
-the ones that are sure of themselves and the ones that are the protectors - they all have the heart of their master
Your dogs are a reflection of ones own soul....
The others just pee on the feet of their visitors.
YogieBear
by Mrk on 27 May 2010 - 03:05
you started with the father jet airplane stuff and i elaborated on it. are you embarrassed over your failed analogy so now you talk trash. prom queen toothless waitress? be more creative and at least insult me with something new...not something you heard from somwhere hahahaha
people who give material things names have psychological issue. wackos like you should take their psych meds before responding to any post.
may you and bertha have many beautiful baby bullets together you.
P.S
i have a zelda inside my home too. i play it everyday on the wii.
by Bu Inu on 27 May 2010 - 04:05
Excellent post there YogieBear!
And MRK, You never got your point across to anyone, (well, maybe one person sided with you a bit). It's virtually impossible to get a "point" across when literally everything that you say is distorted, odd, lacks understanding of the subject matter, and is just plain strange and even somewhat hateful.
Hopefully this line of your's, "i will end of my response to your post future post here", means that you are done bashing GSD's and SchH. Educate yourself a little by at least attending a few SchH training sessions that has decent TD, and find out what it is all about. At bare minimum watch the training and listen to what the TD (or other experienced people) say and learn something.
And lastly, improve your social skills and know your audience. In your very first post you came out swinging because you lacked the desire or ambition to learn and/or are actually ticked off because you were scammed by someone somewhere that convinced you to part with a fairly large sum of money for dogs that you knew nothing about. Don't come to a forum where people spend a tremendous amount of time, sweat, money and love on their GSD's and their training and condemn what you make very obvious that you know nothing about. If you would have started this thread with a more humble approach and asked questions instead of bashing, this thread would have undoubtedly have 5 times the number of responses and the people on here would have been bending over backwards to offer advice and suggestions to help you out. Instead, you chose to make most people that replied thinking that you didn't even like your dogs as you, yourself referred to them as "leeches".
Good luck MRK. And, I too feel really sorry for your dogs.
by VomMarischal on 27 May 2010 - 04:05
by Royal1 on 27 May 2010 - 05:05
I have a german shepherd, his parents were not SCH3 dogs. He never got proper trainning by me because I really did not know how to train a dog correctly. He never bark at people when they pass by my property, unless they got to close. He was the most freindly people dog I ever known and everybody loved him because he was NOT mean dog or ever showed aggression to no one. I was thinking that he will not protect me.
One time I took him for walk on the leash, while I was walking I met a person and I started talking to him about GSD's, my dog simple ignore him and then showed sign that he is friendly - which is very true, so the guy felt comfort talking to me. And then that poor fellow started moving his hands quickly while explaining his story and by mistake this fellow got to close to me while talking and moving his hands. Suddenly my GSD barked and showed aggression to this guy while I was talking. I never seing my dog do that. I was shocked by surprise on his behavior.......
by poseidon on 27 May 2010 - 12:05
You wrote:
i have come to a conclusion that the reason these german shepherd have no instinct to protect anymore is becuase through countless generation of breedings, people weed out the ones with agression or protectivesness attitude and kept/breed the friendly one so they can be walk around in the show ring without any problems.
If you want real dogs, get the east german working dogs. not the pretty show sch1,2,3 wanna-be protection german shepherd.
Perhaps your dogs do lack the natural instincts of GSDs to be protective and wary of strangers. Have you taken them for assessment as regards their temperament? and what is the pedigree of your dogs?
I sense you are venting your frustration with your current dogs but they are now aged 3 years and 5 years old. Either accept what you have or find them suitable homes. I am sure they will make fantastic therapy dogs.
I believe in future you will benefit more from your research in finding the right breeders for your needs as well as the appropriate training required rather than bashing all GSDs.
by steve1 on 27 May 2010 - 12:05
My Fluffy soft looking Goran, will not make a sound if you pass by the house. If you however come onto the property he will bark to warn me of you being there
If i let you in the garden where his Pen is and i let him loose with me there he will look at you and come up to sniff etc.
if i say all is okay he will be alright, However if i put him back in his Pen and lock him in he will be fine and not bark because you are in the Garden with me there,
But if you go over to his Pen and try to stroke him he will not make one sound but your arm will be in his mouth with him trying to take you through the Bars, That is a controlled Dog in his own environment, and yours would i expect do the same with training But if you cannot find the time or incination to do it then do not blame your dogs
Steve1
by charlie319 on 27 May 2010 - 12:05
In regards to your quote from Wiki: "Shepherds have a loyal nature and bond well with people they know. However, they can become over-protective of their family and territory" That is a true statement I'm sure that if you took the time to bond with your dogs, instead of looking at them as protection mechanisms, something might click there. These are smart animals and they know when they are apreciated and when they are not.
I'd recommend that you take up the offer of those here who wouldunburden you from these unwanted dogs and get yourself a couple of trained Presa Canarios. That would seem to be a bit more of your taste in temperament for dogs. However, I'd recommend you to be nice to them...
by dwchastain on 27 May 2010 - 16:05
I am not sure what the intent of your original post was but clearly it was not to have a productive discussion about your situation. People who train dogs for Schutzhund are very passionate about the sport and their dogs, partly because it takes a huge time commitment (roughly 2000 hours) just to get to the SchH I level. Anyone who has spent any time at all training dogs knows that every dog is different and as such requires different training methods. I mention this because you are completely missing what is important here with your gross generalizations. Each dog, even from the same parents, has its own personality and character traits. There is by no means a guarantee that dogs who have successfully competed at a high level in Schutzhund or been police or military K9s will produce puppies suited for the work their parents did. The guarantee you do have is that these parents will have a much better chance of producing puppies with the confidence and attitude that will allow them to be successful as competitors or working dogs in law enforcement.
Rather than attacking the breed or the sport of Schutzhund you might try asking if there is a way to get your dogs to perform the way you want them to. There are clearly some very knowledgeable people responding to your post, many of whom I guarantee have trained or at least seen defense drive brought out in dogs that seem to have none.
The truth is that any dogs first instinct is to protect themselves. They have two choices. They can either fight or run. When your acquaintance climbed on your fence your dogs did neither because they did not feel threatened. This is a sign of confidence. The question is do you want a burglar alarm so you can defend you and your family or do you want a dog that will defend them for you? If your answer is you want a dog to defend your family then one of the most important things to look for is confidence. Some confidence is natural and some has to be developed. Like any person if you put a dog in a learning situation where they can be successful they build confidence and learn what you expect of them. Based on what you have said it appears your dogs have the tools but they need to be taught what is expected of them. Like in the pilot analogy, the kids have the basic tools, intelligence, etc. to be pilots but they still have to learn how to fly the plane.
You have an opportunity to end your frustration, which I assume was the reason for your post, and end up with exactly what you wanted, protection for you and your family. But, you will have to be willing to listen to the message rather than shoot the messenger.
Good luck
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