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by beetree on 11 April 2012 - 14:04

I read the article about the teacher who went for a jog and was attacked and killed by a pack of wolves. DNA shows they have since killed three of the four wolves responsible, and five that were not.

I think it is tragic, but that teacher did not take into account her surroundings and should have been more prepared to defend herself against any wild animal attack, not just wolves. A very costly mistake on her part. I don't blame wolves for being wolves.

(I also find it bizarre that whoever found her body, just left it there, resulting in the wolves returning to feed!)

by zdog on 11 April 2012 - 14:04

Yes, I am fairly classy, thanks for noticing.  Seriously, you're millions of times more likely to die from your own stupid actions than by a wolf.  Like I said, notify me when it's a concern.  One or two deaths over the course of decades if not hundreds of years of recorded history on this continent isn't really anything other than an anomoly.


Conspicuous

by Conspicuous on 11 April 2012 - 14:04

LOL zdog. I guess that's what I'm saying too.

I am sorry about the people who died, but I don't think wolves are really a significant threat. They are generally really shy of people.


darylehret

by darylehret on 11 April 2012 - 17:04

Well, not exactly, once they become conditioned to being around people and seeing that they pose no threat.  There are wolves chasing elk right though some of the bordertown streets that are near the park.  Yes, there's a million other ways to die, I'm sure, and you can say it's ALWAYS the fault of the human for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.  Doesn't mean we should allow the risks to escalate.  Some places, parents refuse to let their kids wait at school bus stops, where the wolves are too frequent.  It will likely worsen, if hunting them isn't allowed.  It's not only a matter of too many, as also how bold they become is an additional important factor.

The reports I recall about the teacher said she was definitely attacked, not just "found" by them.  There are also many people who think livestock guardian dogs are the answer, and some ranchers have lost multiple LGD's to their local wolves.

There may only be two now, and the excuse a few years ago was that there weren't ANY.  You can't fairly look at recent historical records, when the wolves were for the most part non-existant, let alone unprotected, in human habitated areas.  Once you bring them back, and under protected status into rural populated communities, then what else could you expect, except that they are going to affect the personal lives of people who for generations did not have to deal with these risks?

Anyway, I personally don't see a problem, as ranchers now have the right to protect their livestock, children at bus stops can dial 911 from there cell phones, and what not :-)  Even with a very high hunting quota within the state of Montana (of about two thirds the wolf pop.), their numbers still grew from the year previous.  So my guess is, that management by hunting alone will eventually be found an insufficient means for population control.  I'm thinking they ought to install EID's on their tracking collars, to make the little light blips on their computer screens vanish, ha ha.


darylehret

by darylehret on 11 April 2012 - 18:04

And to reiterate what I tried to state earlier in posts,

It's not even about keeping wolf lovers happy, and never was.  It's about who can profit from keeping wolf lovers happy.


Conspicuous

by Conspicuous on 11 April 2012 - 18:04

There are probably many more human deaths from dog attacks than wolf attacks. How are the risks escalating? Because one teacher died in Alaska?

Wolves do not deserve the bad rep they have gotten throughout history and all this fear mongering isn't helping matters (the movie The Grey is ridiculous). I can understand the issues with livestock and farmers needing to protect them. But I hardly think going on a witch hunt is the answer. Good lord, that sure seems a bit extreme! EID's???? Really?


Interestingly, according to this study, GSD's have reportedly killed in the US & Canada between 1982-2011 - less than 30 years - 12 people & maimed 54 others. Sounds like they are a much bigger threat, are they not?

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-study-dog-attacks-and-maimings-merritt-clifton.php

darylehret

by darylehret on 11 April 2012 - 18:04

It IS a growing (and escaliting) change in the lives of the many who are affected by wolves.  Which wouldn't include MOST readers here.

The same could go both ways, there are many ridiculous movies about wolves that have little basis in reality, and promote them in a positive light.  People shouldn't base their opinions and emotions on what they view in the movies.  Simple fact.  NO, NOT REALLY!!  Can't you read my fecitious writing ;-)

Conspicuous

by Conspicuous on 11 April 2012 - 18:04

Name one!  :D  And no people shouldn't, but they do. Look what the movie Jaws did with sharks. They are another species that many people are terrified of, yet attacks on humans are extremely rare, and even then are almost never fatal. Not that I ever want to put it to the test. ;)

Ok daryl, I give up...we will have to agree to disagree.  :)

by Juno11 on 11 April 2012 - 21:04


Just want to respnd to "Do Canadians care what Americans think?" question. I'm a Canadian and many of us are not at all happy about the tar sands. But the tar sands are not owned only by Canadians. Americans, Chinese and others have interests in it. They want to put a pipeline in to connect the tar sands to Texas to send it there for processing. Some American environmentalists have been protesting the pipeline.
Its not right that the wolves and other species have to pay the price for  human degradation of the land.

Juno11

by beetree on 11 April 2012 - 22:04

You know who profits from a healthy wolf population? ALL of us, if we aren't butting into their territory. Give them a little. We already have a lot. 






 


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