The hardest GSD's - Page 4

I have been to the KNPV nationals in the Netherlands and can tell you some of those dogs are super tough. I spent some time training at a few of their clubs and the training is excellent, but from what I saw the bulk of the trainers train with very heavy hands. They take a puppy and train with him almost every day. They meet at their club after work and stay till dark training. They have super good helpers and there are many clubs in each area. It normally takes 2 - 3 yrs to title the dog, then they sell him and start with a puppy all over again. I love watching them train, there are no egos and everyone works to help the handler and his dog. Another thing I noticed was most of the handlers are older guys say in their 40s to 60s handling these really tough malis. 

On thier long attacks the decoy breaks a stick over the dogs back just at impact and you see parts of the stick flying around. They also do excercises like guard the article, find and hold a guy hidden in the woods, retrieving small metal objects like bullet shells and pennies and bring them back to the handler. They jump straight 6 ft ( or so ) wall and must also do long jumps etc...

It truly is an amazing sport to watch

In my opinion this is a much more difficult sport than Schutzhund and is geared towards a very fast, agile dog with good nerves. That's why you don't see many GSDs in the competition. Intrestingly enough you do see some gsd /mali mixes doing well.  




 

Frankm205 I totally agree

How in the world would anyone know if any particular dog can do KNVP without trying the sport....and even if you buy a dog from KNPV parents...what makes you so sure the pup will be any good at it? It's in the genes people.....then the training comes along. Some have it some don't...just like anything else...by the way TDC...awesome picture!

Agree with  judron55!!!
As an exemple, look at Hero Van Tiekerhook, he's out of "Schutzhund" dogs and is doing very well in Mondioring!

French Ring GSD come frome the same lines, and that's a fact!

no one will know if the dogs ´will do the sport without trying it

but most of the gsd schh lines lacks drive and the trait to stay in drive without the handler or someone to always have to tease the dogs to keep them in drive

I have not seen most dogs here that could do other than SCHH

french ring dogs dont have much schh dogs in their pedigree and those that are in the pedigree are often far back in the lines



 

yes its in the genes and that is no gaurantee but it helps to select some of the best working traits

french ring gsd are not schh lines as I wrote before there are schh lines far behind in some of their pedigrees but not that much but mostly just a few like yoschy,aly and half

not many of the ofther schh lines

 

Myret, schh lines as you call them, are not that far behind, they're a lot in the 3rd, 4th and 5th generations, just take a look at the pedigree on the working GSD french kennels site, take a look at "des Orckis de ladret", "de la Coquellerie", "du Val des Hurle Vents" and many others, you will find a lot of dogs coming from those lines, especially trough Ferro, Troll and Timmy, Yoshy, Half and Nick! If i were looking for a GSD for ring sports i would not get it from France and i'm french!!! IMO most of French breeders give more importance to the studs, sure there are many excellent dogs doing great in ring sports but that doesn't mean that they are good producers, it's hard to find a good dog there, out of 1 litter, you'll be lucky if you get 1 or 2 good dogs, and imo they should  give more importance to the females, usually they haven't got any titles...

Snusjunkie,

What you mentioned about the French not paying much attention to the females, apparently it's the same when it comes to Malinois in France. It's too bad because, in my opinion at the moment, French Ring tests the fighting drive and the athletism of the dogs much more than IPO does giving the French breeder a good venue to improve the breed. 

Cheers,

Snusjunkie I know about the french,Belgium Both In gsd and mal dont Care about the females but the schh Lines are the ones I wrote and the ones you mentioned but that is the good old schh Lines not like those week dogs you see today with the modern breeding They lack prey,Hunt and fight drive today and hardness they have problems staying In drive for longer time and they are to soft today I have written with one of the old breeders In france and hé wrote mé that only a few of the german lines produce the drive it takes to dó campagne,mondio, french ring only the ones I and you mentioned that is not much and its only the good old Lines and they are getting more and more behind In pedigrees and more of the new type softer gsd is seen.but those old schh Lines have produced very good and are to some of the Lines used In KNPV titlen dogs