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by brynjulf on 10 March 2012 - 02:03
On another note, anyone breeding/training/selling the real deal... Jerry Mace gives your whole industry a bad name. Not only will we not buy another German Shepard, but we also tell all of our friends about our own experience. Something to keep in mind as you defend this particular dogs behavior. If you are selling good dogs, then you, too should be upset about Jerry and how he does business.
i pasted the above comment as I thought it was odd.. How would anything any other broker do affect MY business?
It appears that the seller was a middle man. He imported the dog and then sold it to another person as a breeding prospect. I could be wrong on this but it is what I gleened from the posts. I am still unclear as to who actually sold the dog to Jeff. Just from veiwing the video I see a dog who was worked by ( not trained by) a complete stranger. He responded well for a young animal with no bond to the person. He performed well for this situation . Video 2 shows us a green, untrained dog being worked on a sleeve. So what I see from the videos is a young, green import. Very few imports that I have gotten in for training have been house trained. I am still confused as to what these people want?
i pasted the above comment as I thought it was odd.. How would anything any other broker do affect MY business?
It appears that the seller was a middle man. He imported the dog and then sold it to another person as a breeding prospect. I could be wrong on this but it is what I gleened from the posts. I am still unclear as to who actually sold the dog to Jeff. Just from veiwing the video I see a dog who was worked by ( not trained by) a complete stranger. He responded well for a young animal with no bond to the person. He performed well for this situation . Video 2 shows us a green, untrained dog being worked on a sleeve. So what I see from the videos is a young, green import. Very few imports that I have gotten in for training have been house trained. I am still confused as to what these people want?
by Jerry Lee on 10 March 2012 - 04:03
I Imported the dog for VLA..She wanted the biggest the toughest Male I could find.Of course that is not the type of dog that we would sell a novice handler.Hannibal was advertised on many websites here in the U.S. VLA asked me to locate the dog and we did that.My friend in Germany went tested the dog..took the dog to the vet.Had the Hips and Elbows done and health checked
We arranged for the shipping to my Kennel here in Pa. The video's of him were taken the day after he landed.He was a Young Green Dog that needed his training to continue.He is a very well bred dog and a monster in size.
Hannibal was for sale on other sites priced between $7000-$7500.00 without shipping while he still was in Germany.We made the deal with VLA for the price of $5500.00..Dog arrived in Pa. VLA had a mind change she wanted the dog in Florida at her ranch.Shipped the dog to Wellington Fl and that same day VLA took pictures of herself and Hannibal in the home of his new owners.Jeff Hall..She left the dog that night with the family and everything was just fine.They had promised they were very expereced animal folks and they would work with Vicki on the training. .Video's X-Rays Paperwork was all viewed and approved by VLA.All I was paid was 2k for the shipping housing and delivery of the dog to VLA..I have been in this business for over 29 years and have always been honest in my dealings with my clients..The reason the X-rays can not be produced by VLA is that they took the dog to a Police Trainer who loved the dog and his work and convinced the owners they were not the right people for the dog. And maybe the people were not the right type of owners for this dog.But I did not sell the dog to Jeff Hall.I sold to the dog to VLA.The trainer offered to take the dog off there hands to avoid them getting hurt.The trainer then calls me and wants to trade Hannibal back to me for a smaller Police Canidate..They fell for the OH!! the hipp is bad he is worthless but we will take care of him for you..Gimma a flippen break.These 2 women and the many fake names they have created is a attempt to hurt my business and my family.
We arranged for the shipping to my Kennel here in Pa. The video's of him were taken the day after he landed.He was a Young Green Dog that needed his training to continue.He is a very well bred dog and a monster in size.
Hannibal was for sale on other sites priced between $7000-$7500.00 without shipping while he still was in Germany.We made the deal with VLA for the price of $5500.00..Dog arrived in Pa. VLA had a mind change she wanted the dog in Florida at her ranch.Shipped the dog to Wellington Fl and that same day VLA took pictures of herself and Hannibal in the home of his new owners.Jeff Hall..She left the dog that night with the family and everything was just fine.They had promised they were very expereced animal folks and they would work with Vicki on the training. .Video's X-Rays Paperwork was all viewed and approved by VLA.All I was paid was 2k for the shipping housing and delivery of the dog to VLA..I have been in this business for over 29 years and have always been honest in my dealings with my clients..The reason the X-rays can not be produced by VLA is that they took the dog to a Police Trainer who loved the dog and his work and convinced the owners they were not the right people for the dog. And maybe the people were not the right type of owners for this dog.But I did not sell the dog to Jeff Hall.I sold to the dog to VLA.The trainer offered to take the dog off there hands to avoid them getting hurt.The trainer then calls me and wants to trade Hannibal back to me for a smaller Police Canidate..They fell for the OH!! the hipp is bad he is worthless but we will take care of him for you..Gimma a flippen break.These 2 women and the many fake names they have created is a attempt to hurt my business and my family.
by V L A on 10 March 2012 - 13:03
It is clear to me that JM can only blame others and not take responsibility for H!
I would have not ever done a post on this matter, but I hate when someone can not be truthful!
This will be my last post on this subject, as there will no end to the slander that JM is dishing out!
I have better things to do, such as: going to taking my much loved GSD's to SchH training this AM!
Cheers,
V L A
I would have not ever done a post on this matter, but I hate when someone can not be truthful!
This will be my last post on this subject, as there will no end to the slander that JM is dishing out!
I have better things to do, such as: going to taking my much loved GSD's to SchH training this AM!
Cheers,
V L A
by michellehall on 10 March 2012 - 13:03
michellehall is not a fake name, and I have not posted under any other name. We spoke on the phone, Jerry, if you remember correctly? You...and I, Michelle Hall, spoke directly on the phone. You assured me Hannibal was the right dog for us...even sent pics of your kid playing with him on the floor for the hard sell. Don't pretend that you've never talked to me or to Jeff. We ARE very experienced animal people, and as I've stated before, the dog WAS fine...WITH US. Just like he was fine with your family and your son. However, when anyone else was around at all, he was not fine. He tried to attack not only at inappropriate times, but WITHOUT BEING COMMANDED to do so. Further, YOU told ME (no middle person involved) that the dog would be a great fit for us-sharp on his commands, I even asked specifically if I could walk with him without feeling like I had to hold him back. I told you that one of his primary roles would be to be out walking with my me and my son. Again, I was ASSURED he would be a great dog for us. We were also told the dog had "excellent" hips and that he would make an excellent stud should we ever choose to go that direction. We are not vets, so even looking at the x-rays that we received we did not know that it was a flat out lie.
Once we went to sell Hannibal (because Jerry Mace was unwilling to take him back himself)...we had 3 individual vets review the x-rays...just as we had two separate and unrelated trainers evaluate the dog. Both trainers came HIGHLY recommended.
The second trainer (the police dog trainer) wanted a smaller police candidate because he was trying to recoup some of our money for us by giving Hannibal back to you, and then selling the police candidate to give us the money. The fact that you state he wanted to trade Hannibal for a smaller dog only shows that he had no interest in keeping Hannibal for himself. In fact, we flat out asked him if he wanted to keep him for himself (free) because we didn't know what to do with him, and he declined our offer, but was nice enough to board him until we were able to find him a good home.
I've never been on this site before, but the posts for this thread were forwarded to me because it looks as if Jerry Mace is once again trying to make a quick buck at someone else's expense. If I can post here, and let others know that Jerry Mace, dog trainer, and owner of mydogneedshelp.com (which by the way promises 100% satisfaction guaranteed on the homepage) , did not do honest business with us, then I will.
Once we went to sell Hannibal (because Jerry Mace was unwilling to take him back himself)...we had 3 individual vets review the x-rays...just as we had two separate and unrelated trainers evaluate the dog. Both trainers came HIGHLY recommended.
| JM: "The trainer then calls me and wants to trade Hannibal back to me for a smaller Police Canidate.." |
I've never been on this site before, but the posts for this thread were forwarded to me because it looks as if Jerry Mace is once again trying to make a quick buck at someone else's expense. If I can post here, and let others know that Jerry Mace, dog trainer, and owner of mydogneedshelp.com (which by the way promises 100% satisfaction guaranteed on the homepage) , did not do honest business with us, then I will.
by desertstorm3115 on 10 March 2012 - 14:03
Every year, hundreds of innocent people, in particular, children, are victims of severely disfiguring bites from aggressive "guard dogs" chosen for their intimidation factor or bloodline's, not their character, intelligence, or careful education and evaluation.
A true Professional Trainer sells "trained dogs" epitomize the necessary balance between protectiveness and companionship. Other trainer's offer security or personal protection dogs they claim will get the job done, but often these canines have received too much attack training and too little obedience. A true Professional Trainer that sells personal protection dogs for are capable of striking the extremely important balance between guardianship and submission, due to the comprehensive selection and training process they undergo. These true "Professional Dog Trainer's" carry an umbrella policy insurance to cover their Company, any dog under their care or sold by them. Dog brokers or back yard breeder's have no such policy to protect themselves or other's let alone to the new owners they sold to... innocent victim's. This can leave the new owners of the said green dogs open to heavy lawsuit liabilities, should the dog "disobey or misinterpret a command". Due to being sold as a "green" protection dog and not having the dog's mental ability to make sure the said dog is a good fit for it's new home. Thus also placing the "innocent green protection dog in danger of being euthanized " all for the selfish behavior of a UNPROFESSIONAL breeder's not caring about the dog future or well being for the client, but to line their own pockets, destroy these breed's as well as the future of ALL other breeder's that must fight to prove themselves, their stock and their reputation due to bad choice's made by other's. When you sell a green protection dog under your "business name", you take pride in what you sell and you back up what you sell. If the sale goes bad, you take the dog back to show good faith not only for yourself but the breed and the profession! The check should not have been written our to "Jerry Mace" but to his company of Mace's Malinois and German Shepherd or My Dog Needs Help since he is a business. I feel that welfare of this said "green protection dog" was placed in danger by the person that knowingly sold this K-9 without introduction, training or proper evaluation of the new owner's. The liability to this thread truly belongs with owner of Mace's Malinois and German Shepherd's and My Dog Needs Help owned by Jerry Mace in my "personal opinion". So when all is said and done, my main concern is where is the dog now? This should be the question everybody should be asking? The dog's are as usual the "true victim's" here not the breeder's, trainer's, broker or buyer.
A true Professional Trainer sells "trained dogs" epitomize the necessary balance between protectiveness and companionship. Other trainer's offer security or personal protection dogs they claim will get the job done, but often these canines have received too much attack training and too little obedience. A true Professional Trainer that sells personal protection dogs for are capable of striking the extremely important balance between guardianship and submission, due to the comprehensive selection and training process they undergo. These true "Professional Dog Trainer's" carry an umbrella policy insurance to cover their Company, any dog under their care or sold by them. Dog brokers or back yard breeder's have no such policy to protect themselves or other's let alone to the new owners they sold to... innocent victim's. This can leave the new owners of the said green dogs open to heavy lawsuit liabilities, should the dog "disobey or misinterpret a command". Due to being sold as a "green" protection dog and not having the dog's mental ability to make sure the said dog is a good fit for it's new home. Thus also placing the "innocent green protection dog in danger of being euthanized " all for the selfish behavior of a UNPROFESSIONAL breeder's not caring about the dog future or well being for the client, but to line their own pockets, destroy these breed's as well as the future of ALL other breeder's that must fight to prove themselves, their stock and their reputation due to bad choice's made by other's. When you sell a green protection dog under your "business name", you take pride in what you sell and you back up what you sell. If the sale goes bad, you take the dog back to show good faith not only for yourself but the breed and the profession! The check should not have been written our to "Jerry Mace" but to his company of Mace's Malinois and German Shepherd or My Dog Needs Help since he is a business. I feel that welfare of this said "green protection dog" was placed in danger by the person that knowingly sold this K-9 without introduction, training or proper evaluation of the new owner's. The liability to this thread truly belongs with owner of Mace's Malinois and German Shepherd's and My Dog Needs Help owned by Jerry Mace in my "personal opinion". So when all is said and done, my main concern is where is the dog now? This should be the question everybody should be asking? The dog's are as usual the "true victim's" here not the breeder's, trainer's, broker or buyer.
by brynjulf on 10 March 2012 - 17:03
As I see it Jerry's version of events seems alot more likely. I don't know Jerry but I do know that he has been in business quite some time. That being said I have also been in the dog world for that length of time. The fact that I have not heard of him until the Malinios DM poster and then this post right on the heels of it DOES say alot more to me. Sometimes NOT hearing about a person for that length of time says more about his business than these type of posts......
by oregontnt2007 on 10 March 2012 - 17:03
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by V L A on 10 March 2012 - 18:03
by Hutchins on 10 March 2012 - 20:03
I do not know any of the people involved, I do not know any of the details other than what has been posted here. I bet
there are probably alot more details that we will never know.
However I will say that just because a person has been or is in GSDs for a very long time, does not make them
more creditable or believable. I can honestly say this because of my most recent experience with a certain person
that has been in the GSD world for a very long time. Yes I did some research, and for every negative there was a
positive. So I took a chance and got burned, really bad. Situations like that has been shared before on this forum many
many time. Its always a gamble with each different situation. JMO
there are probably alot more details that we will never know.
However I will say that just because a person has been or is in GSDs for a very long time, does not make them
more creditable or believable. I can honestly say this because of my most recent experience with a certain person
that has been in the GSD world for a very long time. Yes I did some research, and for every negative there was a
positive. So I took a chance and got burned, really bad. Situations like that has been shared before on this forum many
many time. Its always a gamble with each different situation. JMO
by oregontnt2007 on 11 March 2012 - 00:03
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Well here you go BTYNJULF, cant see how ya missed it with being on PBD since 2009
glad to of helped you... omg, I just noticed that his screen name has changed 3 times?
Why do people change their screen names? Does anybody else see the three different names that has been used in the past.
Can I change mine too? How do I do this? anybody knows how?
I also would like to know how to put a pic on mine screen name as well.
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Jerry Mace by V L Armour on 21 August 2011 - 21:08 |
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| Be careful for Jerry Mace, he sold me a syco German shepherd with a bad hip! | |
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Jerry Mace by eichenluft on 21 August 2011 - 22:08 |
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| have you contacted him about your being unhappy with your dogs' temperament and told him about the x-rays? Or have you had the dog x-rayed? communication is always better as a first step before bashing the breeder/seller, don't you think? | |
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Jerry Mace by ciara1 on 21 August 2011 - 22:08 |
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| Jerry Mace, is a down to earth decent guy... if you have issues with him, then do the right thing and contact him personally. Bringing your personal business here, will not correct the situation... I hope you understand what I am saying... | |
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Jerry Mace by viperk9 on 23 August 2011 - 01:08 |
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| I don't know Jerry personally but I have had several phone conversations with him over the past 2 weeks as the kennel that i work for just purchased a young male from him for police K9 work. I found Jerry to be a very nice man who was easy to work with. The dog that was purchased was exactly as described and we could not possibly be happier with him. We had him re-x-rayed the day after he was shipped (we do this with every dog we purchase) and the hips and elbows are all good, the dog received a clean bill of health. I have absolutely no complaints about dealing with and purchasing a dog from Jerry Mace and would not hesitate to contact him again if he has another dog that suits our needs. The dog we purchased is Tagger vom Haus Salztalblick, and he is freakin' awesome, I only wish I had purchased him myself because I would love to own him more than anything!!! | |
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Jerry Mace by Jerry Lee on 09 November 2011 - 12:11 |
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| The adult dog that Vicki is talking about was a Adult Bomber Imported son.His name was Hanibal.Everything went fine with the deal to sell the dog to Vicki.She then turned around and resold the dog the day it arrived.Then that owner could not handle this dog and he was dropped off at a Kennel in West Palm Beach with a Police Trainer.The Police trainer contacted me and wanted to trade Hanibal for a smaller K9 for Police work.We are very troubled by the movement for this poor dog.The dog was sold with his xrays and a full contract.We have not been contacted by anyone in over a year in regards to Hanibal. | |
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Jerry Mace by hexe on 10 November 2011 - 04:11 |
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It would be interesting to see if that 'bad hip' that V L Armor alleges is the result of an injury that occured in the shuffling process, since apparently the dog's hips were clear when he was x-rayed. Jerry Lee, do you know the whereabouts of poor Hanibal at this point? |
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Jerry Mace by kitkat3478 on 10 November 2011 - 05:11 |
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What a crying shame. Another dog bought, sold AND unwanted....blah,blah,blah. Funny how all these people find their way here, only to complain about this one, that one and the other one. I myself, just don't understand the dog business I guess. How in the HELL do so many people sell their older dogs??? And more so, WHY in the HELL do so many people set out to buy an older dog, trained...yada,yada,yada...only to not have a clue on what they are getting into, and than, Once again, the poor dog suffers. |
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Jerry Mace by Jerry Lee on 10 November 2011 - 14:11 |
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| I have no idea where Hanibal is at this point.I have had no contact with the person I sold the dog to for over a year.He was a very strong biting dog as the client requested. | |
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Jerry Mace by Eira on 10 November 2011 - 22:11 |
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| What a shame. It's things like this that make me hesitant on breeding. Double edged sword.. | |
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