Stud Fees? - Page 3

A business model can be based on high price and exclusivity, or low margins and high volumes. Take your pick.

Breed a dog to who ever shows up and has the eight hundred and after two hundred plus breedings (an actual number of breedings admitted to me by a BSP stud owner) and then listen to the bitching and complaining that the dog produces bad H/E, multiple missing teeth, undecended testicles.....but by god they have bone crushing grips!!! He laughed about all the fools who clambered to have their bitch covered by his BSP dog! If the price had been twelve or fifteen hundred, maybe there wouldn't have been quite so many shitty pups produced.

Joan - That isn't to me a big thing b/c we along with others can look at pedigrees and see what bitches were used with the stud correctly and incorrectly. From there we just look at the breedings we liked to see hotiw the pups were.

Ace,
I don't think stud fee price is a concern for a serious breeder. The stud used would be evaluated for first compatability to the female, health, workability, traits and characteristics that he is prone to reproduce. That alone would eliminate most.

If you have a top female that produces above average offsprings, and a stud dog stacks up in the mating, breeders will line up at your gate to breed for a pick pup. If they don't they are fools. A litter should not be looked at as a single litter for a breeder,but generations to follow if they turn out. And how do you put a value on that? Marcus I mentioned to you once about a pup I wanted to get and have been waiting 2 years for. I've turned down many in between times. But you always have to look ahead 5-10 years down the road and if you can't see what you want at that distance, you will never get there. Good to see you back and hope every thing is going well.
Hank

exactly, I see it the same way as you Hank! When I get a top female lined up to breed to my male of course I want a pick pup from that mating and money is not important! I don't need to breed  outside females to my stud dog who might be not special, I am not even interested , for what? Just to make some money? no, then I rather pass.

I find having a male for stud service can be a real pain in the butt too.  The whole timing and breeding process can be a real hassle.  I will no longer actively advertise a male for stud.  If a person is serious, has a quality female and they really want some particular attribute that my male has, then I will allow stud service.  But otherwise my time is better spent doing other things. 

From a stud owner's point of view, offering a male for stud service shouldn't be about trying to make money or profit.  It should be about giving access to other breeders to make improvements in their breeding program.  Quality breeding isn't a one-person rodeo, everyone needs to be involved with sharing genetics for the overall improvement of a breed. 

From a bitch's owner point of view, they need to consider what is most important in their breeding goals and the stud that best compliments their bitch and their breeding goals. 

The price of the puppy and the price of the stud fee should reflect how much work and money has been poured into the breeding program which offers the stud or pups. 
I'm more likely to question why a pup is only $750 versus why a pup is $1,500. 

I find having a male for stud service can be a real pain in the butt too.  The whole timing and breeding process can be a real hassle.  I will no longer actively advertise a male for stud.

Hey Euroshepherd, I share the same feeling about it, but I didn't want to say anything because I thought maybe it was just a rookie thing, glad to see it isn't just me!!! I have a male Shetland Sheepdog, and as destiny would have it, there are 6 female shetland sheepdogs in the neighborhood, and the only male is the one I have. At first I was actively pursuing to breed him, because I wanted my friend to "get some". After breeding him twice, I realized it was more of a pain in the ass than I thought, having the female in my house, having to keep them together and then keep them apart at different times of the day, having to deal with the female at times whining, sometimes it occurs during days where you have other errands to run....

The problem with pricing a pup at $750.00 vs $1500.00 these days in the states, has very little to do with working, titling, testing most of the dogs listed on this database because byb's abound and seem to think that "their dogs" are somehow just as good as a serious owner who really is in it for betterment of the breed. Since Ive been looking for a dog, it has really sickened me what people are charging vs how much time they themselves have actually put into a dog. Most ... very little.

So, for myself, I require that the breeder does at least hips/elows AND works their own dogs. Anyone can buy a titled dog and breed them or offer them for stud. But in my book, unless you know what your dog has to offer the gene pool by you actually working them and knowing their strengths and weaknesses, then maybe they shouldn't be adding to the gene pool.

"I require that the breeder does at least hips/elbows AND works their own dogs. Anyone can buy a titled dog and breed them or offer them for stud. But in my book, unless you know what your dog has to offer the gene pool by you actually working them and knowing their strengths and weaknesses, then maybe they shouldn't be adding to the gene pool"

yap.. sounds about right. Anybody can purchase a titled dog but to truly recognize the good and bad comes from hands on and admitting to the fact that no dog is perfector even close to it.

yea i see many dogs listex for stud which you know they didn't title the dog. Just imported and now looking to stud at prices of $1300 and up