Judges - Page 3

I think the true "stewards" of the breed are those that understand the original purpose and function of the breed itself. It is up to those people to step up and start driving the boat. By this I mean get your clubs to only use the judges that adhere to the standard. That goes for conformation and trialing. Be proactive. Attend and compete in the trials and shows where the judges with the good reputations are judging. There are enough people who are fed up with the way things are going in trials and show, and there ARE good honest judges out there. I think we need to start changing things. That goes for WDA, USA, and the SV. I also agree with Workingdogz. Theresa

Gustav, it is simple. Say you are a teacher. You give your class an assignment to draw a map of Florida. Johnny simply draws an outline and writes in the cities. Jenny not only does what johnny did, but colors it. Now Samantha, on the other hand, she goes all out. She has every city, road, has pictures of Disney in Orlando, gators in the swamp, boats in the marina, topless girls on the beach, and trailors and legs in Daytona. Now, didn't everyone do what was asked? Should they all get an A+? Perhaps you are longing for the days of pass/fail results. It is a sport and the glitter gets you points. It is a sport like track and field. I doubt we will ever see everyone getting the gold because they all completed the relay at London 2012, baby!

@Rik....that's a very good question...of course I have a lot of different thoughts, but it's hard to separate, from money, ego, ignorance, specialization,globalization,people owning and breeding the breed that really can't and shouldn't have the breed so they change emphasis to something they can manage, and a host of other reasons. All have some validity and contribute to today's different lines/types. Hey I know it's not going to change anytime soon.....but neither am I and though I do often think about walking away from the breed sometimes, I am not quite ready....smile. @ Chaz....I understand your analogy, but I chose to see it as a test of 10 questions and twenty minutes to do it. If you get all ten right in 5minutes you get a hundred, if you get all questions right in 18 minutes you get a hundred. If you get 9 right in 8 minutes you get 90, or if you get 9 in 19 minutes you get 90. The end result is the goal and different speeds or methods within acceptable rules and timeframes don't bring it down. More isn't better....rather right is better....again I know it's not going to go back, but many people don't realize what unintended consequences often occur from changes....and usually the changes are well intentioned, but the consequence that occur later can sometimes cause more problems than they fixed. Either way, I just like to see good dialogue, but I see it really is senseless because people are too vested emotionally to allow it to be productive....so I' m through with the questions. Take care everyone!

"""Either way, I just like to see good dialogue, but I see it really is senseless because people are too vested emotionally to allow it to be productive....so I' m through with the questions."""""


cliff, i don't believe these questions or the dialogue is senseless.  i believe a lot of other folks find value in them as well.  i also believe a lot of folks stick with schh/ipo because that's what there is.  even though they may have questions in their minds, they have no where else to turn.  its a pity that nvbk has never been able to send down roots here in the u.s.  not that we would have to be a branch of such an organization, but i do believe such testing could be valuable in determining working ability......something that is not a routine, things that cannot be trained for in order to cover up deficiencies.  we do some wierd stuff with our own dogs from time to time, just to see their reactions;  swinging bridge over a river, playground equipment etc.  i think, if most people were honest, they realize that schh/ipo in and of itself is not an adequate test for working ability.  it may give you an idea of what a dog could be capable of, but it is no proof.  discussions like the ones we have been having do get people to thinking.  who knows, this might be the beginnings of something better.  i wouldn't mind being part of a support group for people with a real interest in genuine working dogs.  :)


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