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by Donnerstorm on 18 May 2012 - 02:05
I'm with Thomas, just fix the problem. If she really is that reactive try taking her out and doing obedience and get somebody else to stand 100 yards or so away and fire the gun, if she has a reaction have them back up further until she shows no reaction to the gun. You just have the person shooting every day get just a little closer, if she has a reaction back him off again.
by workingdogz on 18 May 2012 - 09:05
IMO, you can 'fix' this as much as you want,
but come trial day, when the handler is stressed
and nervous, it will show up again.
It will show up anytime the dog is left to
deal with the fear without having any sort
of 'distraction' like bitework etc.
but come trial day, when the handler is stressed
and nervous, it will show up again.
It will show up anytime the dog is left to
deal with the fear without having any sort
of 'distraction' like bitework etc.
by karen forbes on 18 May 2012 - 13:05
I guess he will find out on trial day if your comment is true --won't he?
by Dobermannman on 18 May 2012 - 14:05
You wrote
IMO, you can 'fix' this as much as you want,
but come trial day, when the handler is stressed
and nervous, it will show up again.
>NO it wouldn't. If it's "fixed"
>If you desensitize the dog properly then you eliminate the problem
It will show up anytime the dog is left to
deal with the fear without having any sort
of 'distraction' like bitework etc.
>What fear? Gun shyness/reactivity can be based on too much whip stimulation or sensitive hearing or an
>improper association. All training issues not fear issues. Washing out a dog because of gun shyness without
>trying to fix the problem makes ZERO sense. Assuming that gun shyness is always a temperament issue
>makes ZERO sense also.
Thomas Barriano
Dubheasa Germania (11/05/99-08/11/08) SchH III M R Brevet AKC WD III AWD 1 STP 1 CD WAC TT
Ascomannis Jago (06/20/03) SchH III AKC WD III AWD I TT WAC
Belatucadrus (08/14/05) DS BH TT MR I
Flannchadh von der Bavarianburg (5/21/08) BH STP I
IMO, you can 'fix' this as much as you want,
but come trial day, when the handler is stressed
and nervous, it will show up again.
>NO it wouldn't. If it's "fixed"
>If you desensitize the dog properly then you eliminate the problem
It will show up anytime the dog is left to
deal with the fear without having any sort
of 'distraction' like bitework etc.
>What fear? Gun shyness/reactivity can be based on too much whip stimulation or sensitive hearing or an
>improper association. All training issues not fear issues. Washing out a dog because of gun shyness without
>trying to fix the problem makes ZERO sense. Assuming that gun shyness is always a temperament issue
>makes ZERO sense also.
Thomas Barriano
Dubheasa Germania (11/05/99-08/11/08) SchH III M R Brevet AKC WD III AWD 1 STP 1 CD WAC TT
Ascomannis Jago (06/20/03) SchH III AKC WD III AWD I TT WAC
Belatucadrus (08/14/05) DS BH TT MR I
Flannchadh von der Bavarianburg (5/21/08) BH STP I
by judron55 on 18 May 2012 - 17:05
Gun shyness/reactivity can be based on too much whip stimulation or sensitive hearing or an
improper association. All training issues not fear issues.
Gun shyness based on too much whip...nah....reactivity to a whip...she sure does that, but not in a fearful way. Sensitive hearing...possible, but what could be done to help problem...ear plugs:-)
Washing out a dog because of gun shyness without trying to fix the problem makes ZERO sense.
who can say the problem can be fixed? I'm of the opinion the dog would make an excellent pet....
improper association. All training issues not fear issues.
Gun shyness based on too much whip...nah....reactivity to a whip...she sure does that, but not in a fearful way. Sensitive hearing...possible, but what could be done to help problem...ear plugs:-)
Washing out a dog because of gun shyness without trying to fix the problem makes ZERO sense.
who can say the problem can be fixed? I'm of the opinion the dog would make an excellent pet....
by workingdogz on 18 May 2012 - 17:05
If the dog has gunshot sensitivity due to hearing issues,
or 'fear' related, why force a round peg into a square hole?
Again, you can try to 'fix' all you want, have at it.
The problem will surface again at a time of stress
for the dog. Dogs like many animals, will rely on their
'default' behavior, which in this case is to 'run'.
A dog breaking a down to run towards the noise is not
a big issue, a dog cowering and running AWAY is.
or 'fear' related, why force a round peg into a square hole?
Again, you can try to 'fix' all you want, have at it.
The problem will surface again at a time of stress
for the dog. Dogs like many animals, will rely on their
'default' behavior, which in this case is to 'run'.
A dog breaking a down to run towards the noise is not
a big issue, a dog cowering and running AWAY is.
by brynjulf on 18 May 2012 - 17:05
Judron, go with your instincts. Unless the dog is a pet and someone just wants to dabble in the sport? When I was 16 I had a CKC showline bitch that started me in the sport. So glad the club members didnt discourage me. They encouraged me to use her as a stepping stone and to get a better dog :)
by judron55 on 18 May 2012 - 18:05
Again, you can try to 'fix' all you want, have at it.
The problem will surface again at a time of stress
for the dog. Dogs like many animals, will rely on their
'default' behavior, which in this case is to 'run'.
A dog breaking a down to run towards the noise is not
a big issue, a dog cowering and running AWAY is.
my opinion exactly...for this dog anyway:-).....
The problem will surface again at a time of stress
for the dog. Dogs like many animals, will rely on their
'default' behavior, which in this case is to 'run'.
A dog breaking a down to run towards the noise is not
a big issue, a dog cowering and running AWAY is.
my opinion exactly...for this dog anyway:-).....
by judron55 on 18 May 2012 - 18:05
brynjulf .....definitely not discouraging the owner...she has trialed before...more of a my poor baby kind of thing:-)...
The dog has an excellent bark in the blind...very good grips...re-attack...outs are fine...courage test is another excellent feature....great ball drive...retrieves are nice...heeling, she seems a bit distracted...lack of focus...I believe that is a handler/dog relationship problem...tracks like a machine...I've seen her down under gunfire 5 times now and it's not pretty....slinking...avoidance...cowering...ONLY on the long down....I've worked her in protection during gun fire with good success....but, I need to see more to say she's really engaged....will see more Sunday...thanks folks....
The dog has an excellent bark in the blind...very good grips...re-attack...outs are fine...courage test is another excellent feature....great ball drive...retrieves are nice...heeling, she seems a bit distracted...lack of focus...I believe that is a handler/dog relationship problem...tracks like a machine...I've seen her down under gunfire 5 times now and it's not pretty....slinking...avoidance...cowering...ONLY on the long down....I've worked her in protection during gun fire with good success....but, I need to see more to say she's really engaged....will see more Sunday...thanks folks....
by Super Para on 18 May 2012 - 19:05
The truth hurts mate, you ain't gonna change it, get rid to a pet home.
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