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by Sunsilver on 05 October 2011 - 12:10
We also have NO idea what your experience level is so I'm with Chaz find a trainer, an experienced trainer in your area.
And not one that just trains foo-foo pets, either! Find someone who has experience with dominant, aggressive dogs. This dog needs to be seriously put in his place! However, if you don't go about it the right way, you could get hurt.
And not one that just trains foo-foo pets, either! Find someone who has experience with dominant, aggressive dogs. This dog needs to be seriously put in his place! However, if you don't go about it the right way, you could get hurt.
by GSDguy08 on 05 October 2011 - 14:10
Just make sure any time he growls at you, or won't give you the toy.......You just run around the yard in circles screaming, hitting yourself in the head and jumping up and down. It will make him stop the behavior quickly. Do make sure someone gets all of this on camera though. This way we can all have a good laugh.
I've never had any problems with growling over toys from any of my pack members. I taught the release of the ball by using .....another ball. I use the orange chuckit balls. I get two or three of them and I throw one.....the dog gets it, I hold the 2nd one up and call him to me as he gets close I firmly say Drop it!.......He wants the other ball so he drops it..... Repeat, repeat, repeat, numerous times. Eventually they learn to drop it on command and I can do this with just one ball now...... And these are Siberian Huskies, people say you can't play fetch with Huskies...total malarky but anyway.... I second finding a trainer in your area though. I don't know how experienced you are with training, but you don't sound very experienced. Good luck!
I've never had any problems with growling over toys from any of my pack members. I taught the release of the ball by using .....another ball. I use the orange chuckit balls. I get two or three of them and I throw one.....the dog gets it, I hold the 2nd one up and call him to me as he gets close I firmly say Drop it!.......He wants the other ball so he drops it..... Repeat, repeat, repeat, numerous times. Eventually they learn to drop it on command and I can do this with just one ball now...... And these are Siberian Huskies, people say you can't play fetch with Huskies...total malarky but anyway.... I second finding a trainer in your area though. I don't know how experienced you are with training, but you don't sound very experienced. Good luck!
by Spooks on 05 October 2011 - 14:10
@slamdunc
I don't think grabbing this dogs muzzle and folding his lip over and pinching is going to help this situation. A pain induced correction such as this may very well get the OP bit. I'm glad this worked for you.
I never said "pinching nor that it was a pain induced correction"! However did you manage to deduce that from what I said? Nor did I say it worked for me as possibly my own dogs reacted to letting me have the ball once my hand neared their mouths.
Until you or the OP have tried it... don't knock it.
Thank you.
I don't think grabbing this dogs muzzle and folding his lip over and pinching is going to help this situation. A pain induced correction such as this may very well get the OP bit. I'm glad this worked for you.
I never said "pinching nor that it was a pain induced correction"! However did you manage to deduce that from what I said? Nor did I say it worked for me as possibly my own dogs reacted to letting me have the ball once my hand neared their mouths.
Until you or the OP have tried it... don't knock it.
Thank you.
by brynjulf on 05 October 2011 - 14:10
As suggested please consult a professional trainer. While well meaning advice given on forums can get you badly injured. my only word of advice is GET RID OF THE FOOD TRAINING!!!!! Food is a paycheck to the dog, this boy no longer is earning a check. Can he "sit" on one command with no food reward? If not back to square one.
by Slamdunc on 05 October 2011 - 15:10
Spooks, sorry but I disagree with your advice in this situation. Grabbing the muzzle of a growling dog is never a good idea, IMHO. I don't have to try it to know it is a bad suggestion. Perhaps, you missed the theme of the OP's post. I have my own ways of correcting this behavior and can assure you this dog wouldn't pull any of this crap with me. The OP lacks consistency and does not know how to either properly correct or reward his dog. For most dogs this is easily fixed with a clear understanding of how to train a dog by it's owner. However, the potential exists that this is a dominant aggressive dog and the OP runs the risk of getting hurt if he utilizes many of the suggestions here. Fortunately for me I have owned GSD's for over 25 years and I don't need to try things likethis to prove they are a bad idea. I hope the OP has as much sense.
by Slamdunc on 05 October 2011 - 15:10
Spooks, don't you think grabbing the lip, folding it over against a tooth and gently applying pressure will eventually hurt? Obviously, even increasing the pressure even gently will begin to hurt? If you haven't tried it you should. By the way, I have a sweet female GSD that will still hold the ball regardless of how much pressure you apply to her lip. That will not make her let go. I guarantee you can gently or harshly pressure her until you get blue in the face, she will not let go. That is not how I teach a stubborn dominant dog to release. A positive approach sure works better, is faster and leaves less scars.
by Nans gsd on 05 October 2011 - 17:10
I would definitely consult a professional trainer for help; I would not wait I would do this immediately. No more ball retrieving exercises until trainer is consulted. Once you ruin the retrieve, sometimes as stated by Slamdunc with his bitch, it can be gone for good. JMO Nan
by LynOD on 05 October 2011 - 17:10
I agree with with Slamdunc! He offers good advice.
by Spooks on 05 October 2011 - 19:10
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by Slamdunc on 05 October 2011 - 15:10 |
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| Spooks, don't you think grabbing the lip, folding it over against a tooth and gently applying pressure will eventually hurt? Obviously, even increasing the pressure even gently will begin to hurt? If you haven't tried it you should. By the way, I have a sweet female GSD that will still hold the ball regardless of how much pressure you apply to her lip. That will not make her let go. I guarantee you can gently or harshly pressure her until you get blue in the face, she will not let go. That is not how I teach a stubborn dominant dog to release. A positive approach sure works better, is faster and leaves less scars. |
I bow down to your 25 years of owning GSDs even though I can match that and by a few more years. I made a suggestion as a matter of helping as OP said 'Please any help will be greatly received.'
It's no wonder I don't reply that often, when I encounter someone like you ready to shoot down in flames any suggestion that you haven't made. But at least you answered my question >>> If anyone tries it - l'd be interested to know if it does work. Obviously you have, by attempting it on your sweet little female, so I thank you for that! Back to the drawing board with her - eh?
I have never had a problem of getting any dog to release something from it's mouth, all have been trained properly, so no point in trying it like you suggest.
Jon, I hope that you manage to get your dog sorted, I'm sure it won't take much to get him to obey all commands quicker than he already does.
Good luck.
by Keith Grossman on 05 October 2011 - 19:10
Can I nominate this as the most bad advice on a single thread ever?
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