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by sueincc on 26 September 2011 - 15:09
Gouda: You are into show lines, not working lines. Just as I am into working lines not show lines. Therefore your knowledge about working lines in your area is probably pretty limited , as is mine about show lines. This was not an insult, it was an observation based in logic.
It's very unfortunate, bad hips, elbows, shoulders, spines are in our breed and it goes across all lines, working, show and everything in between. It's a very big problem.
By the same token, it's only fair to lay the blame where it truly belongs. You can't paint every stud dog with a scarlet letter just because in a litter a pup comes up with dysplasia, since he might not even be the cause.
Good working line breeders care just as much as good show line breeders about overall health. A dog that has monster grips, drives to spare and courage to beat the band isn't worth a hill of beans if he is too crippled to catch the helper.
I brought up the guarantee because a lot of people seem to think they are home free so long as they have that piece of paper and that piece of paper really doesn't mean much. It's a very false sense of security.
It's very unfortunate, bad hips, elbows, shoulders, spines are in our breed and it goes across all lines, working, show and everything in between. It's a very big problem.
By the same token, it's only fair to lay the blame where it truly belongs. You can't paint every stud dog with a scarlet letter just because in a litter a pup comes up with dysplasia, since he might not even be the cause.
Good working line breeders care just as much as good show line breeders about overall health. A dog that has monster grips, drives to spare and courage to beat the band isn't worth a hill of beans if he is too crippled to catch the helper.
I brought up the guarantee because a lot of people seem to think they are home free so long as they have that piece of paper and that piece of paper really doesn't mean much. It's a very false sense of security.
by beetree on 26 September 2011 - 15:09
Do the right thing Gouda. I'm surprised that is a dilemma for you. 
by Donnerstorm on 26 September 2011 - 15:09
I have the PERFECT solution for you gouda, if the gsds are sooo worthless then buy a pot belly pig!
by Donald Deluxe on 26 September 2011 - 15:09
DFTT.
by Donnerstorm on 26 September 2011 - 15:09
And before you try and argue with me let me tell you why it won't work: YOU CAN'T ARGUE WITH STUPID AND YOU CAN'T MAKE CRAZY SEE LOGIC!!
by Bob McKown on 26 September 2011 - 16:09
gouda:
I love you like no other gouda in my life, That being said I don,t know about the "stahl situation" but i can guarantee that " Its true Bob the mentality of a lot of W.L. breeders is, if it can bite and has drive,breed it" isn,t the norm.
But without a name or alteast the sire and dam,s name your just picking a fight and can,t back it up. Now if you watch all of the video,s of the BSZS just recently posted on this data base these are supposed to be the best out there. Yes there show lines but first and for most there German Shepherd and were bred and designed to work so with that in mind what would you call the work they are posted doing? in your honest opinion is it good or even acceptable for a dog bred to be a working line dog?. I don,t care what the standard says or what the judge said What is your opinion ?.
I love you like no other gouda in my life, That being said I don,t know about the "stahl situation" but i can guarantee that " Its true Bob the mentality of a lot of W.L. breeders is, if it can bite and has drive,breed it" isn,t the norm.
But without a name or alteast the sire and dam,s name your just picking a fight and can,t back it up. Now if you watch all of the video,s of the BSZS just recently posted on this data base these are supposed to be the best out there. Yes there show lines but first and for most there German Shepherd and were bred and designed to work so with that in mind what would you call the work they are posted doing? in your honest opinion is it good or even acceptable for a dog bred to be a working line dog?. I don,t care what the standard says or what the judge said What is your opinion ?.
by Red Sable on 26 September 2011 - 17:09
If you are not willing, or your friend is not willing to say who the breeder is, than there is no point to this thread.
It is helping no one, and never should have been started. We know there are crap breeders, and hypocritical breeders in both lines. The only way buyers can avoid them, is if we know who they are.
It is helping no one, and never should have been started. We know there are crap breeders, and hypocritical breeders in both lines. The only way buyers can avoid them, is if we know who they are.
by gouda on 26 September 2011 - 19:09
BEETREE
Braking a promise is not the right thing to do,not to me anyway.
Have a wonderful day
gouda
Braking a promise is not the right thing to do,not to me anyway.
Have a wonderful day
gouda
by minro on 26 September 2011 - 19:09
Gouda - So what was the purpose of this thread?
by Ruger1 on 26 September 2011 - 19:09
Gouda,
Then tell us why you bothered posting this thread if you can not say who the breeder is??
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