Score book - Page 3

So based on Sara's info, if one wants to remain a member of WDA but trial at USCA trials, basically their alternative is to become a member of the SV?  Since DVG no longer accepts members at large, and the AWDF scorebook for GSDs *is* the USCA scorebook, no?

So, I went to the AWDF website and I see one must be a member of an affiliate club to be a member of the AWDF.  I believe, from the clubs listed on the website, there are only two potential clubs a GSD owner can join.  The first is USA (which we know is not an option for GSDCA members like myself).  The second is the DVG. 

Thus, I went to the DVG website and it says that you can only be a member of the DVG if you are a member of an affiliate club.  So, I check New England and there appears to be only two active clubs in all of New England (I am assuming one is inactive as they only have 2 officers listed and nobody answered when I inquired via phone and e-mail).

I called the one club in my state. He was nice but not sure if his club is accepting members of if I can get in or if they are still training but he'll keep me posted. However, I am skeptical as I had tried another officer in this club (who is still listed) awhile back when I was first making phone calls (and knew even less than I know now) and he told me the club was full and then never returned my inquiries on where else I could turn for help and training.

The other club is in Vermont about 4 hours each way for me.  So, the VT club isn't going to happen as I have a family with a young child and own a working farm. I can't be leaving for 10+ hours a day to train twice a week.

Unfortunately, that leaves me back at square one with no way to compete in ScH events.

I think I am just going to forget about the ScH stuff. I really, really wanted to try it and see if I could get a conformation rating and a ScH 1 to get a breed survey but it's just too difficult to even get my foot in the door to learn.

I guess I'll have to stick to AKC and UKC events. 

Sara

Gustav....AMEN to that!  Working together is what is going to get us anywhere....

Dog1, How can you compete in a UScA event if they do not accept your scorebook and you as a WDA member cannot join UScA?  You can't.  They will deny you.  You will be rejected.  WUSV member or not, UScA does not follow that rule.  If you have the scorebook from the GSDCA-WDA you are discrimited against by the UScA and any events they host.  Unless you are sneaky and get another scorebook from another organization and then you still have to worry about the judge and their affiliation to get the title to be recognized by UScA oh and be sure to have your scorebook certified for $40 by the UScA.  Policy change is in order! 

Hedi, the blight on our show lines within the SV system and it's de facto permission for a "second tier" trial system is well known and absolutely detrimental to the working heritage of our breed. On that point we are in complete agreement. But AKC and the GSDCA have deteriorated the breed light years beyond with regard to any semblance remaining of a "working dog.". I too originally hated being told what to do and attempted membership in both organizations. But, when push came to shove and I had to choose, I went with the organization that represented more closely the standard I have grown to appreciate and hope to preserve. However, I fully respect anyone's right to choose otherwise and don't doubt at all the good intentions of the vast majority of WDA members and it's officers. Kevin Nance

Well, I called the local DVG club president back and basically begged him to let me in.  I told him that his club was my only option if I wanted to try to get a conformation show rating and title my dog for a breed survey.  

He said he understands my predicament but he just is not sure they are accepting new members. He said I could just dissolve my GSDCA mmebership and I wouldn't have any more problems.  But, I don't want too as I like the performance awards and I like positive things about all GSDs.

This just plain old sucks.

Is there a way I could come in through the back door?  If I try to get a HGH title on her would she be good to go?  What club gives out the HGH titles??

Sara

I don't know about any of those things, but I sure like the way you think.

Good luck Sara!  I too tried to become a paper member of a DVG club to circumvent this but it didn't work out.

Is there any reason to be a GSDCA member?  I've done AKC events for a few years and have never actually been a member.  I was a WDA member at first but switched to USCA now that I can still do WDA events without being a member.

Scorebooks should work anywhere and titles should be recognized by all.  That is my position.   

If you do not like showdog (European or American) do not buy one.  AKC has done enough work.  The people have enabled that and it is what it is.  Perhaps the GSD organizations should issue their own pedigree and have FCI recognition with their pedigree.  I would support that.  Then you would have to get the UScA to work together with the WDA.  A working dog pedigree....now that is useful.  Yeah, crazy ideas I have and too politically involved to resolve.  What is your solution?  

Sara,

Unfortunately you are a perfect example of what the JA did to those that just want to participate. It made things so confusing that even the people that are supposed to know don't know. The information you received is still inaccurate as you reported it here. Either you were given inaccurate information or it's so complicated it got lost in your understanding of which organization is friend or foe.

You can participate in all USA events as a GSDCA member (even though you are banned from becoming a member of USA) as the GSDCA is a WUSV member and there exists an agreement between WUSV member organizations to allow participation between clubs. Welcome to the complicated world of the German German Shepherd dog in the US. You do not need to join any other organization........unless you want a scorebook. Shows are fine with your GSDCA membership and you can enter a trial too as a GSDCA member. But,,,if you want to get a scorebook, you have to jump through a few hoops. The hoops are so complex this forum does not allow me the space to describe all the options.

You may need a lawyer to wade through the quagmire the JA added to an already complex system. And the organizations wonder why participation is going down. Here it is in black and white. Sara wants to participate and she can't because the system is so complicated the organizations can't even get the information right.

Don't worry it doesn't get better just wait until you try to enter and the club that's holding the event is more confused than you are. You'll be very lucky if you walk away from your first event and actually want to go to another after all you're likely to have been through.

A non UScA issued scorebook has to be certified for the UScA to accept/recognize it.  UScA does not recognize GSDCA-WDA issued scorebooks.  It clearly says that on their scorebook application.  I cut and pasted that directly from their application on the previous page.  It is a choice that the UScA does not adhere to what the WUSV guidelines are.  No scorebook, no trialing...