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by spectator on 25 March 2010 - 11:03
So will everyone that is against the KC's plans have the courage to back up their convictions and refuse to enter the 14 clubs champ shows in the future or is it all just hot air ?.
by missbeeb on 25 March 2010 - 11:03
Interesting question, Spectator!
by Penny on 25 March 2010 - 11:03
I can answer that question from myself personally spectator. If those clubs that have signed up, get their championship shows running with EXCELLENT JUDGES I will for one exercise my right to be there.
This is one way of letting the Kennel Club know that they havent got us by those short and curlies that they think they have. We can have the choice. I will be at the regional show ENJOYING MYSELF WIN OR LOSE IN GOOD COMPANY and I will be at any KC Ch show that has a respected judge........ for the moment,...... and thats the important three words that we all will be saying.... because once the KC have asked a few respected judges to sign undertakings to report back to them after the show on their findings, as well as write critiques, and then also sit down with a committee - some of whom know little about GSD`s and arent judges - to be told what they can and cant do in their ring - oh, and once the judge has done his job, and some-one feels that a winner wasnt "sound" and reports this matter to the KC - because they will be afraid not to, or remember they still lose further years tickets..... how many respected judges do you think will be doing KC shows?
I for one will enjoy it whilst it lasts with the respectable judges that have already been appointed. When the judges that are so desperate to judge are willing to have the appointments and jump all through those hoops, who do you think they will be. There is one on here already that has admitted to giving clubs a £100 "donation" when he gets an appointment, then I`ll sit back and enjoy the already established SV style shows without missing KC shows at all.....not at all. Mo
This is one way of letting the Kennel Club know that they havent got us by those short and curlies that they think they have. We can have the choice. I will be at the regional show ENJOYING MYSELF WIN OR LOSE IN GOOD COMPANY and I will be at any KC Ch show that has a respected judge........ for the moment,...... and thats the important three words that we all will be saying.... because once the KC have asked a few respected judges to sign undertakings to report back to them after the show on their findings, as well as write critiques, and then also sit down with a committee - some of whom know little about GSD`s and arent judges - to be told what they can and cant do in their ring - oh, and once the judge has done his job, and some-one feels that a winner wasnt "sound" and reports this matter to the KC - because they will be afraid not to, or remember they still lose further years tickets..... how many respected judges do you think will be doing KC shows?
I for one will enjoy it whilst it lasts with the respectable judges that have already been appointed. When the judges that are so desperate to judge are willing to have the appointments and jump all through those hoops, who do you think they will be. There is one on here already that has admitted to giving clubs a £100 "donation" when he gets an appointment, then I`ll sit back and enjoy the already established SV style shows without missing KC shows at all.....not at all. Mo
by myfanwy on 25 March 2010 - 11:03
At present I am one of the lucky ones.
As I only have one female at home and although she has been through all the health tests
I believe she is on the big side and I openly admit a bit loose therefor will not be entering her in any
championship shows,
But will take great pleasure in putting an entry in any GSD EVENTS put on by clubs that have not
signed the KC agreement and when ever possible attend and give my full support.
Bernard
As I only have one female at home and although she has been through all the health tests
I believe she is on the big side and I openly admit a bit loose therefor will not be entering her in any
championship shows,
But will take great pleasure in putting an entry in any GSD EVENTS put on by clubs that have not
signed the KC agreement and when ever possible attend and give my full support.
Bernard
by joepublic on 25 March 2010 - 11:03
Maybe once we are under the WUSV we can BAN the kc's cronies from entering our shows.Also the 14 are in the right time zone as its about now that Judas was plotting his deeds.
So you are planning on behaving exactly as the KC are predicting. You don't want to be prevented from entering KC shows and WUSV and your own shows, but are considering PREVENTING clubs that do not agree with you from entering yours.
Lord, you guys are worse than the KC ever knew how to be. Take a step back, and just look at yourselves.
Simon001 - I see no-one else replied to your post. I am not surprised. No I can't tell you that the GSD is fit for purpose anymore, well not the showline anyway. Max von Stephanitz had it right, and look how the money and corruption in the SV has directed the breed. The sorry thing is that the world follows because they assume that the 'motherland' must have it right as it is their breed. Money and corruption took the breed to it's current exaggerated conformation, and will no doubt keep it there all the time the money keeps on coming, not the betterment of the breed, or for that matter common sense. The early siegers actually look dog shaped rather than frog shaped. Wonderful. The odd thing is that I can see no good reason for the GSD to have it's current shape, it doesn't promote a better working ability, quite the opposite. To quote Von Stephanitz again the GSD should have a form that guarantees a stretching out and swift gait. The showlines just don't extend. Look at the video of Dingo Vom Haus Gero gaiting, THAT is stretching out, the current shape does however promote what Malcolm Willis called 'aimlessly gaiting around a ring'.
Perhaps lovers of the breed should revisit some of the words of wisdom of Von Stephanitz again, and see your quote in it's full context. His description of conformation and how fads and fashions may influence to the detriment to the breed was very visionary. http://maxvstephanitz.homestead.com/
People should listen to von Stephanitz rather than the SV whose corruption is dictating the breed direction.
So you are planning on behaving exactly as the KC are predicting. You don't want to be prevented from entering KC shows and WUSV and your own shows, but are considering PREVENTING clubs that do not agree with you from entering yours.
Lord, you guys are worse than the KC ever knew how to be. Take a step back, and just look at yourselves.
Simon001 - I see no-one else replied to your post. I am not surprised. No I can't tell you that the GSD is fit for purpose anymore, well not the showline anyway. Max von Stephanitz had it right, and look how the money and corruption in the SV has directed the breed. The sorry thing is that the world follows because they assume that the 'motherland' must have it right as it is their breed. Money and corruption took the breed to it's current exaggerated conformation, and will no doubt keep it there all the time the money keeps on coming, not the betterment of the breed, or for that matter common sense. The early siegers actually look dog shaped rather than frog shaped. Wonderful. The odd thing is that I can see no good reason for the GSD to have it's current shape, it doesn't promote a better working ability, quite the opposite. To quote Von Stephanitz again the GSD should have a form that guarantees a stretching out and swift gait. The showlines just don't extend. Look at the video of Dingo Vom Haus Gero gaiting, THAT is stretching out, the current shape does however promote what Malcolm Willis called 'aimlessly gaiting around a ring'.
Perhaps lovers of the breed should revisit some of the words of wisdom of Von Stephanitz again, and see your quote in it's full context. His description of conformation and how fads and fashions may influence to the detriment to the breed was very visionary. http://maxvstephanitz.homestead.com/
People should listen to von Stephanitz rather than the SV whose corruption is dictating the breed direction.
by AmbiiGSD on 25 March 2010 - 12:03
LOL Hardly joepublic... when you know what you are talking about ;)
I for one do not like extremes...in conformation or drives. However the KC is bringing this upon itself, by dictating to mostly the converted.
The shape of showlines is getting away from the shape of the 90's were 90% of dogs moved from their elbows!
There is less exaggeration... it's happening but slowly. Now if everyone could just start getting away from the trend for super short boxy muzzles...I'd be a happy bunny :P
The gap between showlines and workinglines is narrowing... shape wise... working lines are being bred with more angulation, showlines are being bred with less. Shoulders particularly in workinglines are getting better by the year.
Improvements and changes happen, but for the KC to promote the type that they propose...god almighty it's crazy!
I do wonder whether the KC forgets why they changed the name back to German shepherd... to get away from a certain alsatian stigma!
I for one do not like extremes...in conformation or drives. However the KC is bringing this upon itself, by dictating to mostly the converted.
The shape of showlines is getting away from the shape of the 90's were 90% of dogs moved from their elbows!
There is less exaggeration... it's happening but slowly. Now if everyone could just start getting away from the trend for super short boxy muzzles...I'd be a happy bunny :P
The gap between showlines and workinglines is narrowing... shape wise... working lines are being bred with more angulation, showlines are being bred with less. Shoulders particularly in workinglines are getting better by the year.
Improvements and changes happen, but for the KC to promote the type that they propose...god almighty it's crazy!
I do wonder whether the KC forgets why they changed the name back to German shepherd... to get away from a certain alsatian stigma!
by Aileen Ann Mathieson on 25 March 2010 - 12:03
GSD CLUB OF SCOTLAND
AND
CLYDE VALLEY GSD CLUB
BOTH VOTED TO SIGN UP FOR THIS
SOME CLUB MEMBERS VOTED NOT TO SIGN
AND WERE POLITELY REMINDED THAT OUR POSITION AS MEMBERS OF THE SO CALLED PREMIER CLUB MIGHT HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED BY THE CLUB -
THREATS WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE TO THE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN THE TRUE HEALTHY GSD IN SCOTLAND.
GRAMPIAN GSD CLUB IS NOT A CC CLUB AND HAS HAD NO PAPERS - SO THEY ARE OUT ON A LIMB HERE - ONLY HOLD OPEN SHOWS
AS FAR AS FIFE GSD CLUB IS CONCERNED - NO DECISION HAS BEEN ANNOUNCED YET.
SOUTH OF SCOTLAND - LOOKS LIKE THEY WILL SIGN - THEY HAVE A HUGE CONTINGENT OF OBEDIENCE PEOPLE - BUT NOT YET ANNOUNCED.
THE ATTITUDE OF A MINORITY OF THE SCOTTISH PEOPLE BEGGARS BELIEF
CONCLUSION - THE GREEN CARD - CCS - ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE HEALTH OF THE GSD - THEY HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT THE GOVERNMENT WILL STEP IN VERY SOON TO MAKE THE KC DO THE RIGHT THING - ANY INTERVENTION WILL TAKE MANY YEARS AND THE GSD DOES NOT HAVE MANY YEARS IF IT IS TOO SURVIVE THIS DISGUSTING TRASH.
I CAN HOWEVER ASSURE YOU THAT THERE IS A VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN SCOTLAND THAT DO NOT AGREE WITH SIGNING THIS LUDICROUS PIECE OF JUNK.
AILEEN
by Penny on 25 March 2010 - 12:03
Joepublic,
Dont know if you need the writing to be bigger, but if you had been following this disgraceful situation, you would have seen the WE ARE THE ONES GIVING CHOICE - EVERY SOUL THAT HAS SIGNED THE AGREEMENT CAN COME AND ENJOY OUR SHOWS - WITH PLEASURE - IT WILL SHOW THEM THE WAY FOWARD AT BEST AND IT WILL GIVE THEM AN ENJOYABLE DAY AT LEAST
Where on earth did you get the idea that the people signing the agreement were banned from the corrrect type of shows? Shows that take into consideration health issues, and the dog is awarded accordingly for being health screened. Where did you read that we will select who comes to the shows? The dogs will select whether they win or not on the overall picture of their assessments and ability when adult, and if you can say thats not the way forward, then tell us why. Better perhaps not, as you dont seem to be understanding things. I have the utmost patience and will spend any amount of time with anyone that doesnt understand, but you have to meet us half way - we have said almost constantly, that we are providing a choice.
You may come back with the KC have provided the choice... under their rules to be changed and swapped adlib by them - do you know the trouble that Andrew Winfrow was telling me he had last year, and that he wasnt even allowed to put up a specific two cornered ring anymore at the British Seiger for people to call their dogs. Why? because the old mateys at the KC had told him that if double handling wasnt sorted, there would be no British Seiger - hmmm, where`s the choice now? is the current British Seiger a non KC event? no course not. its Grace and Favour whats given is taken just as easily. and before you jump on double handling - if I go to any KC shows, I shall expect to go and NOT double handle - I only hope that the people signing the agreement will too. Mo.
Dont know if you need the writing to be bigger, but if you had been following this disgraceful situation, you would have seen the WE ARE THE ONES GIVING CHOICE - EVERY SOUL THAT HAS SIGNED THE AGREEMENT CAN COME AND ENJOY OUR SHOWS - WITH PLEASURE - IT WILL SHOW THEM THE WAY FOWARD AT BEST AND IT WILL GIVE THEM AN ENJOYABLE DAY AT LEAST
Where on earth did you get the idea that the people signing the agreement were banned from the corrrect type of shows? Shows that take into consideration health issues, and the dog is awarded accordingly for being health screened. Where did you read that we will select who comes to the shows? The dogs will select whether they win or not on the overall picture of their assessments and ability when adult, and if you can say thats not the way forward, then tell us why. Better perhaps not, as you dont seem to be understanding things. I have the utmost patience and will spend any amount of time with anyone that doesnt understand, but you have to meet us half way - we have said almost constantly, that we are providing a choice.
You may come back with the KC have provided the choice... under their rules to be changed and swapped adlib by them - do you know the trouble that Andrew Winfrow was telling me he had last year, and that he wasnt even allowed to put up a specific two cornered ring anymore at the British Seiger for people to call their dogs. Why? because the old mateys at the KC had told him that if double handling wasnt sorted, there would be no British Seiger - hmmm, where`s the choice now? is the current British Seiger a non KC event? no course not. its Grace and Favour whats given is taken just as easily. and before you jump on double handling - if I go to any KC shows, I shall expect to go and NOT double handle - I only hope that the people signing the agreement will too. Mo.
by noddi on 25 March 2010 - 12:03
misbeeb,i do like the eloquent way you put your views across.politish but with a sting in the tail.why cant these persons see the whole picture.i think that the kc will leave the cc appointed judges be for 2011,BUT IN 2012 ONWARDS THE KC WILL BE THE ONE APPOINTING JUDGES FOR ALL THE GENERAL CHAMP.SHOWS AND ALL THE BREED CLUB SHOWS.IMAGINE 2 ALSATIAN JUDGES FOR THE 2 DAY SHOW.as mo and myself said in our earlier posts NO SELF RESPECTING CORRECT TYPE JUDGE WILL WANT TO ACCEPT APPOINTMENTS FOR KC EVENTS.i can now see many clubs who have signed and appointed correct type foreign judges are going to find them making excuses and cancelling their appointments for 2011.Carole S.
by Penny on 25 March 2010 - 13:03
I can tell you one club Carol that havent even had the decency to tell their judges yet that they are not judging in June !!!!!
Mjnd they are collie people now, through and through so perhaps there is no need for correct etiquette to GSD folks. Also, they must find a reason to cancel their Ch show once a contract has been made, and I am now looking in to their reason. I know they asked a friend of ours if she could run the Ch show, and she said quite rightly she couldnt, its not a one man band job, and Shirley, Zep and I offered, just to keep the show going that had been booked and orgainsed, that we would do the usual and organise it with no hard feelings, they declined our offer.
To form a contract - both with the KC and two judges, you should have a very good reason to cancel that show - and it isnt lack of help, as written help has been documented. I have been alerted to the fact that they may have lied as to the reason, but I will keep you informed when I am sure of my facts, as its a serious allegation if I find what I have been told to be true.
Mo
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