Changes in the statutes of German SV - Page 2

@susie, thanks for the quick reply.  So now there is another "temperament test" in addition to the BH and on top of that, the BH 2-3?  What is the intent of implementing 3 additional, non-titling events (4 in total)?  Is this new temperament test intended, long term, as a pre-BH possibly?

whoa,  whats the bh1, 2, or 3???

I thought it was ob1 ob2 ob3

@bzcz, they are new trialing events that are not being offered within the USA.  Nothing new, same situation as the RH-E, A & B.  I'm sure the judges that are coming over here, for trials, are familiar with it.  But no club, stateside, has acknowledged the existence of these events, as far as I can tell.

ok.  Thanks, I'm obviously behind the times on whats going on overseas.

The SV just lost all scientific credibility.  The 3-3 limitation is based on what??  I can breed a dog 3-3 on the same bloodline forever and it is OK but a 2-3 between two dogs from different lines with only a single shared ancestor is forbidden??  Any breeder worth anything knows better than this .. a single 2-3 between two parents with little inbreeding prior to the inbreeding followed by those offspring being used with unrelated matings is far superior to what we see with the GSD and that is continuous 3-3 and 3-4 and 4-4 inbreeding on the same bloodlines and ancestors generation after generation.  The 2-3 limitation must be more political than scientific because the science says that inbreeding generation after generation will lead to inbreeding depression and genetic defects faster than a single 2-3.  A rule based on inbreeding generation after generation would better serve the GSD as a breed.

BZCZ, I´m "behind", too.
A lot of new "trials" don´t create better dogs. Most of us don´t even know the rules of these "trials"...

Bubba, I´m not sure by myself if it´s good or bad, but where do you find 2 dogs OUT OF 2 DIFFERENT LINES with a common ancestor on 2/3 ??? ( I don´t believe in "lines", I simply believe in ancestors, lines are made by humans - I´m able to create my own line looking back in any pedigree )
Maternal line - paternal line - maybe both ?

A 2-3 with the 2 on the sires side and the 3 on the maternal can be quite different from a 2-3 with the 2 on the maternal side and the 3 on the sires.  Accumulated inbreeding is what does the damage and the conformation line dogs or so called show dogs are the poster children for this type of inbreeding.  Block inheritance and an ever narrowing gene assortment leads to bad outcomes .. the show dog people breed on the same phenotypic characteristics continuously and there are some deleterious genes inherited with that continuous selection based on appearance.  The same is true of the biting sport dogs as well who tend to breed for biting and fight drive at the expense of other traits.  Both show or conformation as well as so called working lines would benefit from crossing with each other every 4th or 5th generation.  Re-shuffling the deck with all the cards not part of the cards is what is important to keep the GSD breed alive and healthy.  The 3-3 limitation does nothing to improve over the 2-3 as neither addresses the accumulation of genes with continuous selection on too few traits.

@susie In other words there is no limitation to the size of GSD......and this is how a Large Size breed turns into Extra Large size breed....they are literarily changing a standard for GSD's.....what a shame....just to accommodate a need of certain breeders who continuously produce oversize dogs....what a shame!! Instead of keeping the size within 65-66cm they encourage it now to be over that limit!

The "thought" of this is, that right now there are too many good dogs ( working- and showlines ) bigger than 65 cm.
The judges had two choices - either lie about the real seize of said dogs or "fail" them for breeding. Most of them lied.
Now SV tries to get the breed within the standard without further lies...

Personally I don´t think it´s a good idea, but nobody asked me....There is no shortage of German Shepherds over here, and a lot of them are within the standard.

Bubba, in percentages there is no difference between 2/3 and 3/2. I´m not going into maths, but there is a BIG difference between 2/3 (3/2) and 3/3.  Thinking about the next generations of linebreeding, the possible percentage is way smaller. That´s statistics, no real life scenario, don´t misunderstand me.
I really don´t know if it´s good or bad. Time will show.