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by joanro on 18 May 2014 - 14:05
by duke1965 on 18 May 2014 - 15:05
I myself believe a big part of hip and elbowproblems are not genetic and therefore to point out the genetic aspect would be hard, it will be interesting to see if genetic free dogs really dont get HD or really dont produce pups that will develope HD,
how will genetic positive or negative dogs do on pennhip and or normal ratings, I think that needs to be monitored for some time before you really can put any value on it
IMO environment, food en condition/weight of the pups are of major influence

by yellowrose of Texas on 19 May 2014 - 20:05
Bingo Duke: I have stood by your first statement from my first days of breeding.
To watch my OFA excellent hipped Rosie birth 12 pups wadded up in a tiny birthing sac coming out all rolled up and been in that place of water , for all the 64 days plus..how in the world can a pup , one, 4, or 6 or 10 of them all have properly formed hips no matter how great Rosies and her sired hips were or are.
I have had this conversation with dozens of breeders and they all say the same..Ony a approx 1/3 % may be heriditary...Many breeders are only tieing one time and hoping for small litters. Ones that have a good chance of bone and joint structure in the hips area for growing into a better structure in that area,
I am retired now so I just hope , like Blitzen says, so many more litters are showing better signs of less of the HD
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