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by rtdmmcintyre on 02 December 2012 - 17:12
J I don't necessarily agree with you there. My Doberman is a limited registration. the reason is he only had one descended testicle. you give limited registration to make sure that they buyer doesn't breed and continue something that is defective. Now this Doberman is excellent in every other way. from a very respected breeder and AKC Judge. He was not bought for breeding purposes. therefore a full registration wouldn't do him any good anyway. If a breeder doesn't think a dog should be bred then limited registration is the way to go.
by laura271 on 02 December 2012 - 18:12
We paid $1,000 CDN for our working line GSD from a very small local breeder when Bosco was 10 weeks old. Given the amount of support that the breeder has given us, I would be extremely surprised if he's profited $1 out of the original purchase price. We are extremely grateful clients. :)
by Hundmutter on 02 December 2012 - 20:12
Reggie I think with your attitudes, actually you WOULD make a great breeder !!
Not that i'm encouraging anybody to start breeding. LOL. What you said on the
other thred about welcoming a breeder who would check up on you as a buyer
was excellent.
About limited registrations _ I don't know whether you guys have another problem
with the AKC and these, in the way we in the UK have with our 'endorsed' registrations,
but our KC allows all sorts of scenarios and excuses for ppl to bypass endorsements
not to breed, not to export, etc; they deny it, but there are a lot of loopholes. Undermines
the value of placing them to try to keep some sort of restrictions on what people do with
your pups.
Not that i'm encouraging anybody to start breeding. LOL. What you said on the
other thred about welcoming a breeder who would check up on you as a buyer
was excellent.
About limited registrations _ I don't know whether you guys have another problem
with the AKC and these, in the way we in the UK have with our 'endorsed' registrations,
but our KC allows all sorts of scenarios and excuses for ppl to bypass endorsements
not to breed, not to export, etc; they deny it, but there are a lot of loopholes. Undermines
the value of placing them to try to keep some sort of restrictions on what people do with
your pups.
by rtdmmcintyre on 02 December 2012 - 21:12
first thank you.
As far as the limited registrations I don't know if there is a way around them. To be honest it just isn't the way my mind works to try to circumvent or to by pass something like that. Its like when a breeder tells me the price for a pup I don't try to negotiate the price, they know what their expenses are and that is that.
As far as the limited registrations I don't know if there is a way around them. To be honest it just isn't the way my mind works to try to circumvent or to by pass something like that. Its like when a breeder tells me the price for a pup I don't try to negotiate the price, they know what their expenses are and that is that.
by beetree on 02 December 2012 - 22:12
Reggie, I'm thinking to look at you, you just might be a real big guy? LOL 
Be glad you have a great relationship with a breeder that has withstood the test of time. If you've been reading these forums much longer than before you started posting recently, you must know, there are plenty of situations where a co-ownership has gone from bad to worse, and is not for the faint of heart.
Also, people have a funny way of changing their minds as situations change. I just always prefer to trust my say, usually. But, if you've researched and want what can only be had through limited registration, then, it is just a choice in the end. One decides between whether or not even having the dog, is coupled with: can you accept how you living with it, will be governed by the breeder .
Without explicit trust in the breeder, yes, it won't work. And it would be nice to think all breeders are driven by simple goals of breeding great dogs for great people to do great things.
Would you say it was your research that brings you to a mutual satisfaction between yourself and your breeder? Do you think there could be a scenario where you might disagree? I'm just throwing out thoughts as I think them, because it should be a hard thought thing. IMHO
Be glad you have a great relationship with a breeder that has withstood the test of time. If you've been reading these forums much longer than before you started posting recently, you must know, there are plenty of situations where a co-ownership has gone from bad to worse, and is not for the faint of heart.
Also, people have a funny way of changing their minds as situations change. I just always prefer to trust my say, usually. But, if you've researched and want what can only be had through limited registration, then, it is just a choice in the end. One decides between whether or not even having the dog, is coupled with: can you accept how you living with it, will be governed by the breeder .
Without explicit trust in the breeder, yes, it won't work. And it would be nice to think all breeders are driven by simple goals of breeding great dogs for great people to do great things.
Would you say it was your research that brings you to a mutual satisfaction between yourself and your breeder? Do you think there could be a scenario where you might disagree? I'm just throwing out thoughts as I think them, because it should be a hard thought thing. IMHO
by rtdmmcintyre on 02 December 2012 - 23:12
bee I agree. co ownerships can go bad. That is why I do as much research on the breeder as I do on the dogs they breed. Only my Doberman is on limited registration. My Shepherds are on co ownership and that was my choice not something she put forth. And that was because I have that kind of trust with this particular person. To be honest if there were a disagreement between my self and her I would have to do a self examination, because I know she knows what she is talking about. I'm the variable not her. And Yes I believe that research is the major key the other is not being so full of myself as that I can't be wrong or can't learn a different way. 1001 ways to skin a cat, as the saying goes.
I say once again the main reason for limited registration in my opinion is for dogs that shouldn't be bred. And I believe conformation should fall into that category. I would like to see that extended to people who may be good owners but lack knowledge or experience to breed. but understand the hesitance in that area. There are certain breeders on this board whom I would put trust into, but not all of them have the types of dogs that I would be interested in. Out spoken ness wouldn't be a factor, a person who is forth right in both their expectations and their opinions lets you know where you stand. I don't believe in beating around the bush. I'm honest with them and expect the same, regardless.
Reggie
I say once again the main reason for limited registration in my opinion is for dogs that shouldn't be bred. And I believe conformation should fall into that category. I would like to see that extended to people who may be good owners but lack knowledge or experience to breed. but understand the hesitance in that area. There are certain breeders on this board whom I would put trust into, but not all of them have the types of dogs that I would be interested in. Out spoken ness wouldn't be a factor, a person who is forth right in both their expectations and their opinions lets you know where you stand. I don't believe in beating around the bush. I'm honest with them and expect the same, regardless.
Reggie
by J Basler on 02 December 2012 - 23:12
They pass it off as the label goes. "Respectable Breeder" but the agenda goes much deeper and like the frog in the pot before you know it your cooked. They qualify it by putting it this way, If your a Respectable Breeder this is how blah blah blah incert what ever the agenda as long as you keep the label "Respectable Breeder".
YOU KNOW HOW TO KILL 11 MILLION PEOPLE ------------------------------------------------------------ YOU LIE TO THEM.
YOU KNOW HOW TO KILL 11 MILLION PEOPLE ------------------------------------------------------------ YOU LIE TO THEM.
by J Basler on 02 December 2012 - 23:12
If the dog isn't to be bred then it gets altered period. That is what altering is for not limited registration. I can use Limited Registration to get more money out of a client also. Theres more of an agenda with Limited Registration you just can see it yet.
by rtdmmcintyre on 03 December 2012 - 01:12
a breeder can control if you get limited registration or full registration. they can't control if you neuter or spay.
and if you are to neuter or spay what difference does it make if you have limited or full?
and if you are to neuter or spay what difference does it make if you have limited or full?
by J Basler on 03 December 2012 - 04:12
Even with limited registration if the dog is intact whats to stop it from being bred all it really does is make the pedigree extinct.
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