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for an animal to be in a movie or television show it must have: total confidence, be completely social and the ability to learn new and sometimes complex behaviors within 15 minutes.

by being worked in the movies and tv this dog prooves all of this, and that he has a great handler/trainer too.

nice to see such a beautiful shepherd up on the stage.

Sunsilver,

You said you love that pedigree a lot, will you explain why you like that pedigree, my interest is because I have a grandson of Illo von der abfuhr.

Thanks
Ibrahim

Nathan's trainer is Beth Bradley out of New Jersey and she is awesome!

Because many of the dogs I really like are in it. Lord was a great dog, and very long-lived, too. His pedigree goes back to Bernd v. Lierberg, IMO one of the greatest all-round GSDs ever. There's also Mutz v. der Pelztierfarm, Mike v. Bungalow, Marko v. Cellerand.as well as lots of Kirschental and  Busecker Schloss dogs. I favour a dog that can 'do it all' and the Kirscental kennel bred for herding as well as Schutzhund. Obviously, pups from this litter will also have the potential to be excellent trackers!  The Busecker Schloss kennel strove to produce dogs that had good temperaments as well as a good work ethic. They also made sure they kept the female lines strong, unlike some breeders who only care about the males they use.

I am not as familiar with the dogs in the mother's pedigree, except for Lord, but there are quite a few DDR siegers listed, so again, there should be very strong working ability.

I know the dogs I mentioned are quite far back, but when you see multiple lines to the same dogs, you know the genetics will still be there.

I can see what you meant by loving the pedigree, you were looking at the big picture, which is correct to do. I get what you're saying, using Gustav's terminology, massing up on the good dogs should (theoretically) produce good ones, Hundmutter may please pardone me here as I only came to know that term from Gustav, I swear I never read or heard of it before .
Anyway, I was hoping to hear from you a bit on Illo von der Abfuhr specifically, I did learn some about him from Prager but was hoping you know the dog or one of his close ancestors. Thank you for the info and explanation, it's always informative to read your input.

Ibrahim

Ibrahim, a lot of what I know I picked up from Gustav. The correct term is backmassing. It means having the same dog appear multiple times in the pedigree, but without any current linebreeding on the dog. HOWEVER, if you click on the ancestors back where you see this particular dog, it can turn up some very close linebreeding.

For instance, my female is backmassed on several popular showline dogs. If you look at her pedigree, you will see no linebreeding at all.  However, go back 2 generations, and you come up with this:

Linebreeding - 5 generations

• 5 - 5,5........................................... in V16 Dax von der Wienerau
• 4 - 4............................................. in V Häsel von Tannenmeise
• 4,5 - 5........................................... in 2X VA1 Uran vom Wildsteiger Land
• 4 - 4............................................. in 2X VA1 Quando von Arminius
• 5,5 - 5,5......................................... in V Xaver von Arminius
• 5,5,5,5 - 5,5..................................... in V Palme vom Wildsteiger Land
• 3 - 3............................................. in VA6 Odin von Tannenmeise
• 5 - 5............................................. in V Dixie von Tannenmeise

So, considerable backmassing on Palme and Xaver von Arminius, and some rather close linebreeding on Odin.

Sorry, can't help you with Ilo.

Edit: maybe this will be of help: http://www.stalworthkennels.com/Stalworth_Kennels/Our_Dogs/Entries/1998/7/29_Illo_von_der_Abfuhr_CGN,_IPO3,_SchH3.html

yes correct you are, it's backmassing. That's a very nice example to show what backmassing is, on a side note close linebreeding on Odin might have been a good thing for that specific ancestor in regards to temperament, I hear very good things about Odin's effect on correct temperament.

Thanks for the correction, Falcon. I was making a guess since I had recently seen the CSI episode commercial.