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by Darcy on 10 November 2012 - 02:11
my 13/2 yo male came froma byb. the guy was a farmer, sort of. he milked cows anyway. He was trying to produce balck and silver so he kept breedign the same balck male and the same white female every heat she had. he produced bad temperaments, allergies, digestive problems and horrific hips. he was breeding without thought to the breed as a whole. That, to me, is a back yard breeder. Everyone is selling puppies and dogs so I take that out of the picture.
Darcy
Darcy
by Chaz Reinhold on 10 November 2012 - 03:11
I always breed mine in the front yard. The trailers paid for, so I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do.
by vonissk on 10 November 2012 - 05:11
LOL Chaz. I know someone that did that just as the church down the street was letting out!!!!!by joanro on 10 November 2012 - 13:11
This is a question, I suppose, rather than an argument: if breed surveys are so reliable in determining breeding pairs, why aren't all breed surveyed/matched progeny becoming the best GSDs ever produced ? One would think that after many generations of this system, any faults from these dogs would be long since eliminated. One person (judge) watching a dog for a fraction of a day, is not going to see all the intricacies of that particular dog's character, they will only see what is obvious and possibly covered through training.
What other breeds besides the Rottie and GSD do breed survey?
What other breeds besides the Rottie and GSD do breed survey?
by Rik on 10 November 2012 - 14:11
joan, you usually have some good thoughts, but I'm not really grasping this one.
by susie on 10 November 2012 - 14:11
BYB - At least one, mostly some of the points below are missing:
Parents:
Breeder:
Parents:
- Pedigrees
- Show results
- SchH titles (herding...)
- Breed survey
- HD/ED / health
Breeder:
- Kennel registered
- Does or at least did train and title some dogs by him/herself
- Good knowledge about bloodlines
- Good health care / dewhorming, shots...
- Socialization of the puppies
- not selling to everybody/still takes care of already sold dogs
by susie on 10 November 2012 - 14:11
Joanro:
A breed survey tells us that this dog isn´t
That´s a lot more than nothing...
A breed survey tells us that this dog isn´t
- over/undersized
- its teeth are okay
- BH/AD are done
- said dog is trained and titled(at least SchH1 / HGH )
- has a show rating
- HD/ED are at least A3 (wouldn´t breed an A3 dog, though, by myself )
- is not gun shy...
That´s a lot more than nothing...
by susie on 10 November 2012 - 14:11
Forgot to say.
For me a breeder MUST have trained and titled by himself, otherwise he/she won´t be able to know anything about character and drives of his/her own dogs.
For me a breeder MUST have trained and titled by himself, otherwise he/she won´t be able to know anything about character and drives of his/her own dogs.
by joanro on 10 November 2012 - 14:11
Sorry, Rik :)
I personally know of dogs that have been bred relying on breed survey which produced fearful, temperamentally unsound progeny.
I also saw, at national seiger show in nashville, about eight years ago, a ring full of females that during the gun fire, at least four of them reacted fearfully. The judge had the handlers calm the dogs, and repeated the gun fire, calm the dogs. Then finally when they all stood without trying to exit the ring, exercise complete and successful.
There is obviously a hole in the system.
I personally know of dogs that have been bred relying on breed survey which produced fearful, temperamentally unsound progeny.
I also saw, at national seiger show in nashville, about eight years ago, a ring full of females that during the gun fire, at least four of them reacted fearfully. The judge had the handlers calm the dogs, and repeated the gun fire, calm the dogs. Then finally when they all stood without trying to exit the ring, exercise complete and successful.
There is obviously a hole in the system.
by susie on 10 November 2012 - 14:11
"There is obviously a hole in the system."
As soon as people are involved ( owners, breeders, handlers, judges, decoys, vets, ... ) they will always find somw holes...
Don´t blame the system, blame the people.
As soon as people are involved ( owners, breeders, handlers, judges, decoys, vets, ... ) they will always find somw holes...
Don´t blame the system, blame the people.
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