Puppy warranty - Page 2

@ hexe i agree with u, no i dont c warranty over here, as i am american MERIKA, i look @ american breeder websites a LOT. agree with rik as well............what do yall warrenty, in the case of judy, how do u keep ppl from makeing things up, and just getting a free pup, u just? i @ this point feel, sorry ur pup has HD, but SHIT HAPPENS, the parents, grands grandgrands where healthy, genetics screwed u, sorry, maybe a discount, but i feel like a new pup 4 free, is me takein ur misfortune and making it mine for......... y do that?

Kitkat, how can you claim to stand behind what you produce, when you stated that you would not replace a pup to someone who wants to send the original back to you? Suppose they can't deal with having two dogs, or suppose there is a temperament issue, like aggressiveness, which may have been unforeseen by you? I dunno, I think that if a person couldn't keep the original and get the replacement, refusing to give them another pup is like saying "tough shit, you're out of luck with me."

Maybe I'm not fully understanding,  but when the words crap shoot is being used.  That makes it sound like genetics don't really a part.  And I know none of you believe that.  So I am thinking maybe some are using this term as an indication that there is the potential that problems could occur. not that you don't try to breed to avoid but rather due to recessive genes or outside factors that a problem can occur beyond your control.  and if that is the case then I think everyone is saying the same thing.  Only Kitkat is saying that still being the case to keep customers happy is willing to eat the price of a pup to keep reputation and good relations in tack.

Sorry kitkat I don't agree that wanting to return a dog that is genetically unsound is in any way a reflection on the buyer. If I am buying a dog for a specific purpose and the dog won't pass genetics, then I will be returning the dog. Nothing personal but space is limited here. Thats why I don't attach to the dog until I know all is well.

20% have hd
20% have ed

its the fact.............
even with good hip and elbow pedigrees, hd and ed come up.......then there's panus, dm, me, and a dozen other issues.
if a breeder says they've never had a single pup a problem.......they are not telling the truth.........

in europe, there are few, if any guarantees...........and pups are less expensive.

     SOME of you people are too freakin funny, ALWAYS wanting to see the glass half empty instead of half full.
     And hexe, I find it offensive for you to say "anything I do as being dishonest", IN FACT, I may well be one of the most honest people when it comes to MY dogs.
     I NEVER CLAIMED that problems don't exist in the breed, or do I EVER come off to ANYONE, that I guarantee something won't pop up, BUT, IF IT DOES, I DO GUARANTEE, I will give you another dog to replace it, and bhaugh, thankfully, NOT EVERYONE that gets a dog, gets one with the thought of WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR ME in the $$$$$ dept.
     There are people that ACTUALLY love their dogs, and live with their dogs, AND again , another big "IF" a problem that warrants a replacement arises, it would, I assume, be AFTER you owned your dog for awhile, maybe hips a year or two in, I AM HOPING that a buyer actually cares about their dog and would want to keep it, WHY should that buyer have to return the dog, (at another added expense to buyer, and unfairness to dog,than, have to pay again to get another dog shipped to them,and WE ALL KNOW, the buyer ain't eating the transport fee coming and going). Christ half don't even want to give a replacement.
    SOME even want to keep money for doing absolutly nothing but misrepresenting.
     Of course, IF a person can't have two dogs it isn't going to keep me from replacing a dog. Life is different for everyone, NOT EVERYTHING is one size fits all./ And IF someone totally destroys a dog that came from me, Well, it certainly isn't the dogs fault. I OWE IT to ANY dog I produce, to ALWAYS have room at the Inn for them. (thank GOD, I have never had that problem, and hopefully never will).
           To say a shepherd is a crap shoot, WHY THE HELL DO YOU CARE ABOUT THE GENETICS AND HISTORY SO MUCH ?And YES, I have been EXTREMELY fortunate with my dogs,(pups) as far as ANY HEALTH ISSUES, I know I have the history of MY dogs going in my favor and apparently I hit the genetic jackpot as well.
(oops, I had an overbite once)

kitkat, I did NOT say you were DISHONEST--I said you were WRONG.  You seem to have some aversion to using the term 'crap shoot', yet you readily acknowledge that no matter how much research, effort and health testing and clearances a good breeder puts into a mating, the amount of control said breeder has over how the genetics will sort out is extremely limited at best--you even mentioned that 'apparently I hit the genetic jackpot as well'.  What is that, if not a crap shoot? 

Perhaps you're not understanding what the term means?  It doesn't refer to excrement--it refers to a game a of chance that's played with dice, a game called 'craps'. Playing it is called 'shooting craps', and a 'crap shoot' means one is rolling the dice in hopes of getting a good result.  Would you prefer the term 'gamble' to 'crap shoot'?  That's all it really means--a breeder tries to stack the deck, or load the dice, to increase the odds of getting the outcome they're seeking by knowing the history and health of their breeding stock, and once they've done all that can humanly be done to influence the results of a mating, the rest is up to Nature and luck.  Get it?

Now, if you ARE saying that the above isn't true, and that you've somehow happened upon the magic formula that ensures every single breeding you do produces puppies that are 100% PERFECT, with no flaws or faults [and remember, off-colors ARE faults, according to the breed standard; so are soft ears or poor tail-sets...they aren't health issues, but they're still faults for the breed ring and thus pups with those flaws are NOT 100% perfect]--well, if THAT'S what you're saying, then I'll have to revise my statement, and yes, say you're being dishonest.  But from what I've read of you here in recent years, I don't get the impression that you suffer any such delusions, so I'll presume that you just have an issue with the term 'crap shoot' because you don't like how it sounds.  So when you read the term in the future, I suggest you mentally substitute the word 'gamble' instead, and all will be well.
 
OK?

Good Lord, it's a well known fact, no matter how much precaution you take, A problem can occur. I simply GUARANTEE, IF, it does. I will replace the dog.
If you don't want, or can't keep the original dog, for WHATEVER the reason, (or the age), I will ALWAYS, take it back.

And Sitasmom, I can tell YOU right now, thankfully, as far as DM, HD,Ed, LMNOP...Ignorance is BLISS to me. NEVER had ANY of it
Not to say with 100% certainty,no dogs I have ever bred have had it...But NO ONE has EVER come back to me making claims of it either.
I also don't change dogs like some people change socks (how many have you traded UP in the last few years?(yeah, that's what I thought).

crapshoot - a risky and uncertain venture; Ok everything in this dimension is a crap shoot according to this dictionary.
Crapshoot for most people is a  very risky situation a 50% or greater chance of failure. Semantics. A longer better warranty that offers you options in the event something go's wrong, naturally adds value and safety to anything you purchase. On the business side if you offer a warranty thats beneficial to your buyer you have to factor in the costs of the warranty to the bottom line so the price may or may not have to go up depending on what you are offering especially if its crap or in this case a crap shoot. Basic stuff. If you take the emotions out and remember we all agree dogs are just property like lawn chairs its just basic business 101. <<< sarcasm