Thoughts on this potential breeding? - Page 2

I have to admire joanro.
How many stud dog owners would turn away a
breeding/$$ because they didn't feel the bitch was
a good match?

klcabe; if joanro doesn't think your bitch would 
work well with her male, it's not the end of the world.
She knows her male and what he produces with what
types of lines. 

What has your bitch produced so far? She was bred prior
to this litter, so what did you see from the puppies?
What kind of feedback are you getting from the puppy
owners/trainers etc? Any health, structure, dental etc
type issues?  Have you looked into her pedigree to see
what lines have meshed nicely with lines similar to hers? 

It's important when making breeding choices to pick the
dog that will best compliment your female, and it helps 
to know what she has produced to date, or what similar
breedings have produced to use in your decision making.

I definitely am not dissing or implying any disrespect for the OPs female. I've seen the female early on in her training and she is very nice. But, knowing what Charik has produced in the past and the two litters I have from him, this is not the breeding I would do with this female. Hexe, yes, I think the prey drive would be much more than most people would want to deal with. If the OP was intending to produce drug dogs, this would probably produce dogs that LE would desire. However, most pups end up going to family environments and even some sch people are indicating a desire for more balanced dogs. With 3-3 on Tom, I think these pups would not fit in those situations. I like a little Tobasco on my omelet, but half the bottle wouldn't be better. I don't want to be responsible for pups that are going to be bounced around until they end up in "rescue" or the pound. As a case in point, there is an absolutely beautiful one year old dark sable female at the Rutherford "shelter" right now that looks like she could be standing next to a handler on the job in her "mug shot".....this is a high kill "shelter". I would literally puke if a dog I was responsible for producing wound up having it's picture posted from a dam pound. I'm pressed for time right now, Hexe, but will address the personality later.

Joanro. It's tricky to decline stud service politely, without insulting the owner of the bitch. Sometimes, they are happy you've been honest with them, and some get angry. At the end of the day, the way I look at it is none of my dog's pups are at the pound, nor are they in danger of it in the immediate future, and I have had the opportunity to speak to the owners personally and counsel them as to what's to be expected,which is something you don't get to do with an outside bitch. We have to be loyal to the dogs, first and foremost. I commend you for being selective and keeping the puppies' welfare at the top of your priority list.

Kristen, you will find a suitable male to complement your bitch.

Jenni, I'm with you, the dogs' well fare is The most important consideration when any breeding is contemplated.

Kristen, I sent you a pm.

Ok, first I will apologize. Forgive me for misunderstanding your e-mail reply, Joan, in which you said,


*Posting of emails is against the TOS


I responded with,


*Posting of emails is against the TOS


I then asked a question about payment of the stud fee, and I immediately posted this thread - 4 days ago.

I never heard anything back from you until I logged on today and received the nasty e-mail and PMs you had sent me, because I had put this planned breeding on my web site. I guess it's time for another apology, because I wrongly assumed that, because you had shared Charik's stud fee with me, if I decided I wanted to go ahead with the breeding, there wasn't a problem doing so.




Now, having said that, your assumption that I would be placing the pups into inappropriate homes, where they would be "bounced around until they end up in 'rescue' or the pound" is more than a little bit offensive!

First, all my puppies are microchipped, and I remain as a secondary contact on those microchips once the puppies are sold (the new owner is the primary contact, obviously).

Secondly, my contract states that, "Buyer agrees to contact the breeder in the event they cannot, or decide not to, keep the dog. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES IS THIS DOG TO BE SURRENDERED TO A SHELTER, ANIMAL CONTROL, POUND, OR RESCUE ORGANIZATION! Breeder retains first right of refusal for the life of the dog, and retains the right to re-claim a dog from a third party with no money exchanged if buyer violates this part of the contract. Walnussbach Kennels will always take back (if there is room available), or assist in finding another home for, one of our dogs, should there ever be a reason you can no longer keep him/her; no questions asked," and the buyer must initial here, in addition to signing the last page of the contract, in the presence of a notary public.

I have stood by this clause in the past, and will continue to do so for every puppy that I bring into this world.

Further, I own the only AKC-recognized German shepherd breed rescue in this end of the state, which means I get notified by shelters in this area as soon as they receive a dog that appears to be (or is) a purebred GSD. As of right now, I had to put all rescue operations on hold due to personal circumstances that have persisted over the past year and a half, but if an owner of one of my puppies called me up right now, I would be there for them.



Finally, I have had several sport/working people express interest in one of the puppies from this breeding, and I have 'the hookup,' if you will, to place the rest into law enforcement jobs, as I have also done in the past.


If you now still wish to deny me a breeding to Charik, that is completely your prerrogative, and I will hold no ill feelings towards you for it, but I do feel like there have been a lot of assumptions made (on both sides) and clarifications were in order.

Hi Klcab, your female has a nice pedigree & the type of studs you express on using might find in these dogs;

V Terror von der Staatsmacht
or 
Grief von Tajgetosz
or
Ivan von der Alte Baum 

All those dogs should provide more aloof temperaments, help increase prey drives without loosing strong fight & defensive side in offspring.
Ivan will be a line breeding still on Tom but also more so on Mink since the dam is 3-3 linebred on Mink.
Good luck with your girl. There are a lot of very nice studs out there.

Who owns Ivan? T Floyd?

You ask me, Kristen, what the stud fee was, so I answered you. Answering that question does not equate to agreeing, sorry you assumed that. The quote you credit to me is inaccurate. But that is beside the point, I did not agree to breeding your female,you assumed that. Also, I never said YOU are going to place your dogs in inappropriate homes and be bounced around until they end up in a shelter. Plus, I emailed you yesterday, and requested you remove the proposed breeding, that it wasn't going to happen, that you were jumping the gun. Your apology is accepted.

Kristen, when some one emails you and asks how much your puppies are and you tell them, does that mean you agreed to sell them a puppy? Btw, I didn't consider my email yesterday to you to be nasty at all, nor the messages today. Sorry you took it that way.