Judges - Page 2

The qualifications of being a judge are so minimal for getting into the program anyway ..................... so what makes them a qualified judge of genetics .....
nothing does .............

In the AM showring I was told (and Rik will know better than me so correct me if I'm wrong)  all it takes to be a judge is to raise and show 10 champions.  I'm not saying that is a small feat, as that does take time and effort, however, it seems to have nothing to do with the Standard.  We have breeders who are judges, so IMO both ends are wagging in one vicious circle.

IMO a judge should have a complete understanding of what  a correct dog  looks like and the ability to be a judge should be  based on just that, not, on winning in the show ring and breeding more of the same. 

I'm not sure what is required to become a judge under the SV system.

As we know, the dogs that win in the ring do not necessarily reflect the Standard of that breed at all.  Much of it is who you are, not what quality of dog you have which is part of the reason todays dogs have changed so much from the dogs in the past.

Here are the AKC qualification requirements to become a breed judge (they just changed in May):

http://www.akc.org/pdfs/rjl003.pdf

Ok, so I was not even close
My source sucked obviously.

Greg, I'm not talking about genetics....I' m talking about standard for show and interpretation for trial. Case in point....why on retrieves and recalls is faster better? If the dog perform the exercise perfectly at normal speed....why is faster graded higher? Why is animated heeling better? If the dog keeps his shoulder in perfect sinc with the handler for the whole routine looking straight ahead....why is that graded less than upbeat prey obedience. Or has the training method allowed an unnatural pleasing presentation to become the new thing....just asking....I see no purpose for sport heeling but sport....seems to me that the purposes of exercises in the sport should be for functional conversion. What am I missing?

Points? LOL

hello RS, the standard for AKC judge is much lower than 10 Champions. In the all breed ring, the judge need never to have owned a GSD. Or produced/exhibited an AKC Champion GSD. They just do some apprentice type shows, take a test and they are "stewards" of the breed.


Rik 

Gustav,
I agree with your questioning. I have never seen the
point or purpose to the animated unnatural heeling.

And, for the record, I cannot remember a judge ever
saying a retrieve was in fact 'fast enough' LOL.
I have always heard, 'the bring can be faster'. 

I guess this is why we stick to the club level, we can be the 
slugs of the bunch with correct but not unnaturally animated
heeling etc. We stick to judges whom we respect, not the 
Santa's. There are still judges out there who will acknowledge
dogs that bring power to their work, they just don't get asked
to judge as many trials 

I think the judges should judge according to the standard. And which venue is he judging. Conformation or ability? AkC is totally different than Sch, so naturally different criteria applies. A judge should NEVER base his decisions "on the flavor of the month", especially if they are involved. With that particular flavor,(Fr%*k$$g$$d comes to mind). If the judging was baseed on what the standard,rules and guidelines CALL for, there COULD NOT be so many variations in the conformation of the German Shepherd. This crap of placing dogs that look totally deformed (extreme roach, hock walking ) in a position ABOVE those bred to be correct at the very least, stable structure, is wrong. It is ALL about. The $$$$$

Gustav, I have followed these questions you ask with much interest. I have also followed your history enough to know that you have traveled the route from Am. S/L to where you are now with the production of LE dogs. And I doubt there is anyone here in the U.S. with a better understanding and more able to answer these questions than you.

So let me ask you a question. It is a simple thing to read the history/origin/intent of the GSD, the standard and what the GSD was created for.

Why do you think the GSD has veered off into S/L, sport line and the few who still produce a dog suitable for work. And I guess by work, I mean those who produce dogs suitable for LE/military, as this seems to be the work that most GSD go into.

Rik