Opinions on a pedigree - Page 2

Ziegenfarm,
You do understand that I made a differentiation between females and males?
I agree with stubborness being an issue with the males, but, haven't seen it with the female I own, the one I took in, or others from same or similar litters I have trained with or come across. And, as I said, I am speaking of the knowledge of one dog similar to the sire's side and one dog similar to the dam's side, not a combination of both. That may not have been clear when I said "each side" in my above post.
P.S. I hope your girl pulls through! :)

Blackthorn,
I will PM you. I don't publicly put others info on here without asking first. 

The girl in my Avitar is a Troll grand daughter, she just turned 11 in March... Healthy as can be until last year when she slowed down, found out she has arthritis of the spine and in her elbows, she is a big girl with big bone at 98 lbs.  Great drive, clear headed, Smart,  only thing I would change is she has an extremley high pain tollerence, she never slowed down or showed any  sign of pain until her spine was bone on bone.  even now if it moves she will go after it, a lot slower than she used to but she will go..   I would love a female with that pedigree...

Melissa

I second Ziegenfarm. Stubborness in the females of this type of breeding is legendary :)  but tough holey moley!

Hey Bob,

There are some huge similarities in this breeding to my D litter and you have seen Deja work.  Very strong willed (I hate the word stubborn), but also wants to comply as long as I find a way to show her what I want that doesn't invoke a fight.  Athletic, high fight in protection, but very clear, extremely dominant especially in her own pack, aloof (basically indifferent), high hunt drive, not the best sport tracker.  I like this breeding.  Could be an interesting cross with Axel or the lines you currently have.  Along with what others have said, depending on how you breed her you will also need to watch for missing teeth coming down through T little Körbelbach.

Lisa
http://www.zutreuenhanden.com

Very nice website Ihczth.  I was impressed with the videos of "Vala." 

She looked very intense in the B and H and a nice escape bite.  I like seeing the fight to bring the helper down.  She looks to be a great female.

I actually have seen a couple dogs from a nearly identical breeding on many occasions, one of which I liked VERY much.  I asked that the owner of Kahn vom Gieske please talk to me first if she EVER considered selling him.  He could be a bit stubborn, but still had a lot to offer.

okay, before this thread drops out of sight......what's going on, bob?  you've kept us in suspense long enough.  :) 
pjp

 There was a 2.5 year old female with this breeding in Ohio but the girl had a TON of baggage never ofa,d and breed 2 to a Mali. I could of gotten her to look at but i called the breeding kennel and talked  the owner she has a full litter mate sister with a Bh and ofa certs they may be breeding tis fall so I got on the list.