What do you guys think of this pedigree? - Page 2

VomHausNye belongs to an experienced and dedicated owner/ breeder/ handler  (no not a personal friend!) and so normally  dogs from the kennel will have had all the tests, been breed-Surveyed, etc and I'd therefore be surprised if Quartz hadn't been. The only thing that stops me looking up her hip score and Survey result at this moment is that having recently moved home a lot of my records are in storage.  They will almost certainly be a matter of public record. 
Having seen Margaret N-J working some of her dogs I'd concur with the opinions of those above - these are great dogs but very high-drive and too much of a handful for novices.  But I think she also still breeds  some show dogs, as well as the Working ones, so still talk to her ! 

  Hundmutter and Ronin are  well worded in their suggestions to you

 Take heed...anytime you have a Korbelbach dog of magnitude and a few others on this pedigree in your hands, you had better be experienced or have a \mentor for sure.

 I owned one...Bear Jerome
 

  I would be happy to have one of these pups if I were 40 yrs younger..

  NOT  for the faint hearted for sure..YOU must be ready.

  GOOD luck..let us know what you get and post some pics.

YR

If the mother has progeny and their hip scores are good, that's more important than the mother's scores....afterall people do the hip testing to make decisions to help produce dogs with good hips. If this is the case.....you are ahead of the game. Sometimes we miss the forest for the trees...lol

Gustav you are right of course, but we dont always have the luxury of the answer to that question, depends on the age of the bitch and the age of her first litter(s).  If the bitch already has offspring old enough to have been scored (in the UK there is no system for getting pre- screened at 7 months, for instance) then obviously one should look for the results of that as well.  Sire's earlier progeny too, and that can be easier to find.  

Are you going to train at a Club?

Ronin

The BVA hip scheme also publishes lists of stud dogs and the percentages of the progeny. This is a good source for what the stud is producing. If the stud is producing puppies predominately with high numbers, you may wish to reconsider.

Hip score results for Progeny of Lakatamia Noris and Vomhausnye Quartz taken from the Kennel CLub database

Lakatamia Noris
BVA/KC Hip Dysplasia Scheme  

Tested	Sex	Result	Date
This dog	Dog	4/6 = 10	7th March 2001
Progeny 1	Dog	6/4 = 10	7th June 2002
Progeny 2	Bitch	6/6 = 12	15th January 2002
Progeny 3	Bitch	5/5 = 10	7th June 2002
Progeny 4	Bitch	4/5 = 9	29th November 2001
Progeny 5	Bitch	7/4 = 11	23rd November 2005
Progeny 6	Bitch	3/6 = 9	13th June 2005
Progeny 7	Dog	6/7 = 13	28th August 2008
Progeny 8	Dog	7/2 = 9	14th February 2012

BVA/KC Elbow Dysplasia Scheme  

Tested	Sex	Result	Date
Progeny 8	Dog	0	23rd February 2012

 
Vomhausnye Quartz
BVA/KC Hip Dysplasia Scheme  

Tested	Sex	Result	Date
Progeny 1	Dog	4/6 = 10	13th January 2006
Progeny 2	Dog	10/11 = 21	13th October 2006
Progeny 3	Dog	5/2 = 7	8th August 2006
Progeny 4	Bitch	6/2 = 8	18th April 2007
Progeny 5	Bitch	2/2 = 4	18th July 2007
Progeny 6	Dog	7/2 = 9	14th February 2012

BVA/KC Elbow Dysplasia Scheme  

Tested	Sex	Result	Date
Progeny 6	Dog	0	23rd February 2012

Thanks all for your input. I decided not to get a pup from Margaret as though I have the experience and do have trainers available and would also be training at a club I already got a pup for myself and this one would have been for my husband who we (Margaret and I that is) both think the dog would be way too much for. I probably would have ended up training both together (separately) but I think for his first dog something a bit less phenomenal but still well balanced will be best. I'll also end up doing most of the training with his pup during the day but I think it will be a lot easier than trying to control this level of dog when mine is this level of dog as well. Was a nice dream though, wish I had the time and space (and energy!) to do 3 lol. This is the pup I ended up getting from the Moby Gardefense/Projays King litter, Panzer.


http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=622445 
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=637794

Beautiful pup and  nice breeding, wish you loads of luck and bags of fun along the way :)

Thank you! :) I do have a soft spot in my heart for the blacks but never found one with a breeding I liked. Think we will be getting his litterbrother Monday for my husband. Should still be a fabulous pup but possibly not as crazy as he is. And if they are both phenomenal well I will deal, he's already settled into a nice routine so juggling two shouldn't be that bad. I say to myself hoping it is true. :D