Protection question - Page 2

Judron or others, please forgive my ignorance as I am still learning but what is Protection like at the Seiger show versus a ScH trial? How do breeders feel about breeding to a dog that only scored "present" in protection? Thanks, Sara

opps...sorry i got off track with my comment to your original post"hgh protection routine"....google "ULF KINTZEL"or maybe it's white clover farms,can't really remember...hopefully MOLLY  or GUSTAV will have some solid info.your next question...."seiger show vs. schh trial"...when you ask a question like that,be sure you have the required equiptment..thick-skin,ten ft. pole,wading boots(it can get deep)..."breeding to a dog that  only rates...protective instincts present",it's probably done on a fairly frequent basis with some(ahem) lines...pups are marketed on the beauty of their parents,and a casual pet buyer usually won't even inquire about that aspect,mostly the criteria is big,black and red and will he fit on the kids bed,but a dog that continually failed in the protection phase(ie. "present")would be a definate"deal-breaker" to the working-line breeders....this stuff is plastered all over youtube...take a look and let me know what you think....good luck and keep up the good work!

Vom,

I went to youtube as you suggested and found 2 videos of HGH protection!  Never even crossed my mind to check there!  Thank you!!

My gosh..all that happened is a guy wearing a sleeve charged the dogs but didn't get that close.  It seems the dog was just expected to bark and look at the attacker guy from a distance.  This can't be right is it?  Maybe I am missing some parts of the videos???

So, if these dogs were "pronounced" than a herding dog that didn't bark and maybe just stared would be protection "present".  That seems odd.

I think I am missing something!!!! 

well,i haven't viewed any vids on "hgh" protection,but think about it in a practical way....i'll assume that the dog is only required to "ward off a threat",then go back to the more important job of tending the flock....most good dogs won't have a problem working an aggitator at the end of a lead,and most of those dogs won't have a problem with pursuit,stop,detain.but i think the sport relies on a dog with "sheep-sense",and "devotion to handler/shepherd" as the more important aspects of the "sport".and...there's nothing wrong with cross training a schutzhund dog(with genitic attraction to shepherd work)to do "hgh"......keep looking and let us know what you find out.

Hmmm. I was always under the impression that HGH dogs must able to protect their owner(shepherd) from a threat. That's why the old HGH dogs could all cross over to ScH but the ScH dogs could not cross over to herding ( as herding is genetic and a dog either has it or diesn't). I remember reading something about a shepherd bringing his farm dog to a SV type of event and everyone made fun of the little "herding dog". That is, till the shepherd sent dog out to pursue helper with sleeve and he floored the guy with the impact!! After that incident, nobody laughed at the shepherd and his little sheepdog anymore!! :-) I have a particular passion and fascination with German Shepherd herding dogs and hope to maintain the herding instinct in the breed. I can't wait to try my DDR bitch on sheep as her older bloodlines have shiwn some sheep sense. Thus, I am especially interested in HGH dogs.... Sara