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by Duderino on 05 October 2011 - 02:10
Don't just put a pinch collar on the dog without having someone with experience watch you do it. You're going to get bit. He's growling at you to send you a message.
by Sunsilver on 05 October 2011 - 03:10
Slamdunc, I didn't try to roll him, just put my arm on his neck and pinned him with my arm and body. Id only had him for 2 days at the time, and was just bringing him home from his former owner. Yeah, I know, it's a good way to get bitten if the dog is really strong, and my heart was pounding. He's a big boy: just over 80 lbs. and 25 1/2 inches. All I knew at the time was Kohler's methods. But what the hey...it worked!
I use a 30 ft. horse's lunge line for training the recall, and for tracking. You can get them at any tack store. Window sash cord works too, but you'd better wear gloves! (Found that out the hard way.)
I use a 30 ft. horse's lunge line for training the recall, and for tracking. You can get them at any tack store. Window sash cord works too, but you'd better wear gloves! (Found that out the hard way.)
by Slamdunc on 05 October 2011 - 04:10
Slamdunc, I didn't try to roll him, just put my arm on his neck and pinned him with my arm and body. Id only had him for 2 days at the time, and was just bringing him home from his former owner. Yeah, I know, it's a good way to get bitten if the dog is really strong, and my heart was pounding. He's a big boy: just over 80 lbs. and 25 1/2 inches. All I knew at the time was Kohler's methods. But what the hey...it worked!
Yes, that is alpha rolling. Basically, forcing the dog to the ground and holding him there against his will. It does work with a lot of dogs, it's the dogs that it doesn't work with that are the problem. I'm glad it worked with that dog and you did not get bit. It is taking a chance however and those that are hesitant or slow, might wind up getting bit badly.
Yes, that is alpha rolling. Basically, forcing the dog to the ground and holding him there against his will. It does work with a lot of dogs, it's the dogs that it doesn't work with that are the problem. I'm glad it worked with that dog and you did not get bit. It is taking a chance however and those that are hesitant or slow, might wind up getting bit badly.
by Chaz Reinhold on 05 October 2011 - 04:10
Dude, how is that different than the road she is on? Do you not like quick results?
OP, find a good trainer in your area.
BEETREE, not saying you are wrong, but i find your method confusing. You have a dog that is telling you to piss off and leave me alone, and you believe that the dog will think that he's being punished by you leaving his area without getting the ball and he has just won?
by Duderino on 05 October 2011 - 04:10
No, but what I don't like is telling someone who obviously doesn't know much about dogs or their training to just run out to the local pet store, buy a pinch collar and throw it on a dog with aggression/dominance issues.
by Donnerstorm on 05 October 2011 - 06:10
Wow I Sounds to me like he and I would be having a serious come to Jesus meeting, the trouble is if you don't know what you are doing your dog may not be the one coming to Jesus just the opposite. We can't diagnose your dog online, we can"t see you or your dog, we don't know what you are doing or not doing nor can we read your dog's body language and gauge your response. We also have NO idea what your experience level is so I'm with Chaz find a trainer, an experienced trainer in your area.
by Spooks on 05 October 2011 - 07:10
I am not sure where I saw this or even read about it, but to make a dog release a ball or toy is to put your hand over it's nose and gently fold it's upper lips under it's top teeth and put pressure on gently, I emphasise gently as hardly any pressure is needed. Feeling the teeth touch the top lip will (should) make the dog drop the ball/toy instantly or let you remove it from it's mouth.
I have tried it on both my dogs and it worked, but I don't know whether part of it was due to the fact that my dogs release once I touch a ball/toy in their mouths.
If anyone tries it - l'd be interested to know if it does work.
I have tried it on both my dogs and it worked, but I don't know whether part of it was due to the fact that my dogs release once I touch a ball/toy in their mouths.
If anyone tries it - l'd be interested to know if it does work.
by phrannie on 05 October 2011 - 11:10
Why not take two balls, and make a trade? Folding lips under the teeth, alpha rolling, seem like good ways to get bit (if he is in fact growling seriously)....I mean dogs at play "sound" pretty growly.
Toss one ball, when he gets close to you...show him the other. He WILL drop the first ball the second his eyes see that you have another. Throw that and get the first ball. This game really wears them out, too. The very fact that you are controlling the game, ups your status....and in a positive way.
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Toss one ball, when he gets close to you...show him the other. He WILL drop the first ball the second his eyes see that you have another. Throw that and get the first ball. This game really wears them out, too. The very fact that you are controlling the game, ups your status....and in a positive way.
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by Slamdunc on 05 October 2011 - 12:10
Spooks,
The op wrote:
"second and main one, he will not release the ball or stick when outside. He is so large now that when i try to take it off him he just starts growling... to avoid a dominance confrontation i just let him have it but mainly i cant get it off him. When we get back home he is calm again. ".
I don't think grabbing this dogs muzzle and folding his lip over and pinching is going to help this situation. A pain induced correction such as this may very well get the OP bit. I'm glad this worked for you, but is not an approach that I would use. I really do not care for that technique even with puppies. Dropping a ball is the least of the OP's worries.
Jmo,
Jim
by beetree on 05 October 2011 - 12:10
Chaz, it is doggy reverse psychology! I swear to god it works, with my dog anyway. He's just as ball crazy as they come, BUT there are times when he wants me to play "his way" and mommy don't play that game, LOL
What he'll do to test me, or the kids every now and then is take his ball in the middle of the field and give me a single bark, he puts a paw on the ball pretty much willing his way... he wants me to go out after him in the field. However, in the minutes after the bus leaves with the ground all dewy and me not having a full cup of coffee, I have no desire to get soggy feet. I will only play if he brings the ball up on the deck, and drops it at my feet. So, if he doesn't do that, I say to him, "I can't throw the ball unless you bring it to me!" And I turn my back on him, or even go inside and shut the sliders. Sure enough, moments later there is the jolly ball sitting right next to the door! .
Game on!
Now, concerning the OP's problem, I think they have to get past the food reward thing for playing ball for this to work... I think that was a big mistake, but what do I know?
What he'll do to test me, or the kids every now and then is take his ball in the middle of the field and give me a single bark, he puts a paw on the ball pretty much willing his way... he wants me to go out after him in the field. However, in the minutes after the bus leaves with the ground all dewy and me not having a full cup of coffee, I have no desire to get soggy feet. I will only play if he brings the ball up on the deck, and drops it at my feet. So, if he doesn't do that, I say to him, "I can't throw the ball unless you bring it to me!" And I turn my back on him, or even go inside and shut the sliders. Sure enough, moments later there is the jolly ball sitting right next to the door! .
Game on!
Now, concerning the OP's problem, I think they have to get past the food reward thing for playing ball for this to work... I think that was a big mistake, but what do I know?
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