showline bred with workingline - Page 15

I hate to kick a dead horse, but again, you must be extra careful that you don't "break" your dog to begin with.  This stuff is serious business and you can ruin your dog for life if you don't take extra precautions.  If you aren't physically able to do this, because yes it is very hard on you and the animal, then I would suggest having someone else do this for you.  Better not to do it all then to take any chances.

 Quote: Jeff Oehlsen, I looked at your new dog and want to wish you the best. Be very careful though when you breed your "shitter",

Well, which is it ? You wishing me the best, or calling the dog a shitter ?? LOL

So tell me your experiences as a breeder with those lines you were just talking about. Your experiences and what problems you had with breeding to quanto and canto. After all, they were born in what, the late 60's ?? LOL 

The fathers line is posted, unless you are talking about a different dog. I have more than one dog, gotta be more specific.

Look at the crap Molly was so good to show us. The helper doesn't look at the dog, and the dog has probably done this for his food for the past year or so. Well below average. I have not seen a dog look that uncomfortable in a long time. 

 Quote: First of all I don't necessarily condone attaching your dog to the back of the truck and trying to improve their conditioning in this manner. To me, this is a form of animal abuse.

THis is the kind of freak assholishness that irritates the everloving fuck out of me. Having never done this type of training, this person not only runs off at the mouth about it, but then adds that it is abuse.

Ever wonder why the breed is in trouble ? Here is your personality type that drives them into the ground.

Every dog is precious as well right ?? 

Such bullshit. Fuck a dog if it breaks.

You don't scare me with your tough talk punk!  It is obvious you have no clue what you are talking about.  And thank you for telling everyone you hate dogs and have no respect for them.  That ought to give everyone a nice heads up not to let Jeff Oehlsen "EVALUATE" your dogs.  You offer nothing to this conversation.  Move along little doggy.

Dary,

I enjoyed talking with you on this thread.  Look forward in the future on other topics.

I love my reality. 

I have had great dogs with great breedings and wonderful breeders.   I am done with this thread.

Jeff Oehlsen,
you know that I am writing abou your new dog Basco you mentioned about 10 days or so ago. Please do not get evasive. And are you really trying to tell me that you don't know anything about Canto and Quanto vd Wienerau? If that is the case, you should in the future refrain from bashing showlines as these two dogs are almost singlehandedly responsible for creating the modern showlines. Your dog has the same linebreedings like most of the showlines a few generations back. As a matter of fact it seems that these French lines were built on that. That is why you get this nice "gay floatish show coat" (or something like that). Mix a bit of workinglines in there and voila: You have a cross as well, lol!
Anyway, if you wish to find out more about these two pilars (two of four), go and search the message list here or check Malcolm Willis' book out: "A Genetic History". Anybody who intends to breed German Shepherd Dogs should at least have some basic knowledge of the four pilars of the modern dog. Lines which do not have these four included are the AKC lines and to some extent the old East German lines and some Czech. Workinglines are based on Mutz and Marko, showlines almost exclusively Canto and Quanto with a bit of Mutz and almost no Marko.
And I do wish you the best with your dog and I never call any dog a "shitter" regardless of what breed or individual. No dog deserves that. I merely quoted you.
Chris

A very worthwhile thread to read that is pertinent to this discussion for those who may have missed it or, as in my case, were not hanging out here at that time, is a topic entitled, "CANTO QUANTO MIX - Legendary History of the GSD Breed".  Check it out if you are interested.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/forum/29380.html?pagen=1

SteveO
 

 Quote:  I never call any dog a "shitter" regardless of what breed or individual. No dog deserves that. I merely quoted you.

I have seen many many shitters. They completely deserve it, and so does their breeder.

How much influence does a dog have from 30 years ago ? None. I guess you never thought of that. Oooops. LOL

So, lets take the last 5 generations, and you point out all the show dogs.

I have a french line dog named Esko, and his pedigree is not complete, where Basco's is. So, there was some confusion.

Then, bust out some recent show crosses that are FR3. That will be fun to check out. You are talking about dogs when you mention Quanto and Canto that have been dead for a couple of decades or so. Ever notice those pedigrees that have a percentage number by them ? Where do you think a dog that is 7 8 9 generations backs percentage will be ?

The other thing is how big of balls people on here have to compare themselves as breeders to anyone in EU. That cracks me up. Oh I can cross shitter with WL and I will get fantastic, as long as I am the only one that is looking at it. LOL

It has been too long. I know of some show dogs way the fuck back that have influenced very nicely the working lines, but recently ?? THe dog would probably be quietly put to sleep. : )

 Quote:  I never call any dog a "shitter" regardless of what breed or individual. No dog deserves that. I merely quoted you.

I have seen many many shitters. They completely deserve it, and so does their breeder.

How much influence does a dog have from 30 years ago ? None. I guess you never thought of that. Oooops. LOL

So, lets take the last 5 generations, and you point out all the show dogs.

I have a french line dog named Esko, and his pedigree is not complete, where Basco's is. So, there was some confusion.

Then, bust out some recent show crosses that are FR3. That will be fun to check out. You are talking about dogs when you mention Quanto and Canto that have been dead for a couple of decades or so. Ever notice those pedigrees that have a percentage number by them ? Where do you think a dog that is 7 8 9 generations backs percentage will be ?

The other thing is how big of balls people on here have to compare themselves as breeders to anyone in EU. That cracks me up. Oh I can cross shitter with WL and I will get fantastic, as long as I am the only one that is looking at it. LOL

It has been too long. I know of some show dogs way the fuck back that have influenced very nicely the working lines, but recently ?? THe dog would probably be quietly put to sleep. : )

Dary,

I enjoyed talking with you on this thread.  Look forward in the future on other topics.

I love my reality. 

I have had great dogs with great breedings and wonderful breeders.   I am done with this thread.