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ok  I'm back online again and had to see what everyone had to say.

On trips I  made overseas, I yearned most to see those dogs that were deceased and this started in '98.   What I did get to see is literally hundreds of dogs and grateful and lucky to be shown dogs by the better breeders to include Policia.  I did not get to meet Jiri  but his connection with my horse business partner, whom he was a childhood friend,  brought me to buy two dogs and I could not have been happier with them. One was Pascha Ga Ta, the other Nadja.  I must say, I don't like ALL the dogs he sells but  I don't like 100% of what anyone sells and not every dog is for every person.  Is 100% of what I have produce going to be a police dog  or a sport dog, ok but at what level?  Genetically no matter how good we are, 100% at high end is not probable.   So when we look at breeding dogs, it is much in the eye of the person on the leash what they see to produce.  You then have the variations in genetics, no matter how good it all looks.
So back to looking at dogs,  and what they produce, I still like to see a "raw" dog, being very green and little done with it.  You get to see genetics then, not so much the shaping by conditioning.  So, go see Jiri's green dogs.  That should be interesting!  (oops, 3 dogs from Jiri to include Hill ze Slovanskeho domu, personally picked out for me.  I am grateful).
YES, Americans do rely on the pedigree too much.  whew, glad someone else said that.

Genetics in racing horses and jumpers brought me into choosing dogs.  The heritability on horses is much better documented and those animals are chosen more for a specific purpose and so easier to measure.  But even with that, as a good friend told me that had a Kentucky Derby contender to train, "this horse didn't know who his parents were", and she used that twice, once for the horse with amazing talent and no pedigree to name of, the other with an amazing pedigree and price tag that simply would not run.  


Whoever said $1000 buys you a ticket and a lot of experience is right, you can get your meals with that too.  It's the plane trip that will kill you. 

enjoy!

N

Daryll I dont speculate on an open forum about what your abilities are with dogs based on what you say. People can and will say anything on an open forum. Only when we meet others on face to face level are we going to see just how serious or not they are about what they have written on an open forum. So shall we take what each other says with a grain of salt and an open mind?

I don't recall saying anything about my abilities with dogs, but sure.  I was starting to feel special. 

Abilities, knowledge, imagined experience ......you get the point.

I hate to see this post die, it is so very interesting. Is there any information on Dargo now? Is he still alive, is he ever bred? Does anyone have any of his sons? How has his progeny turned out? I have 2 dogs with him in thier background, and they are wonderful dogs.
Thanks,Rob

well here is this thread still!  I got through the one about great drinks at the czech kennel.  It's true!  In the slovak kennel too! 

well on to the dogs.  whoever is asking about Dargo the golden rule must follow:  recommend not to linebreed.  Great dog and lots of character.  Just follow the golden rules and you will do well.

and let's get away from those sloped rears on a working dog, can we? 

I am getting some new photos up on my website in about 2 weeks.  have to wait for some better weather.  I have an Agar z Pohranicni straze grandson to post.  Looks just like Agar. 

thanks and enjoy your dog today!

Nancy Rhynard

Hello...I have a Pohranicni grand-daughter and she is the best dog I have EVER owned!  Her sire is: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/483553.html

Her mother is also Czech, but not entirely from the same lines as her sire.
www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/577364.html

I couldn't explain in enough detail what this dog is to me!  She has the best nerves, the kindest heart, the most discriminating mind, gentle to children and older folks, crazy prey drive!!, super athletic, intense, bites hard and....lol...is SUPER cuddley!

Oh, and of course I am a bit biased, but I think she is simply beautiful!

I have to bring some information into this and Hans, must differ with you about Tom z Pohranicni straze.
I have had 4 Tom sons and daughters, all with excellent hips.  They have also produced some of the best hips I have ever seen, along with longevity of soundness and good health.  Never had a bad elbow.  Second and third generation now and one of my better hip producers.  (besides Olymp Policia)

I think any popular dog was breed to others that were less than stellar producers  themselves and so the problem you might have seen.  I also excuse Klara to some degree.  I do because even dogs like Treu v.Shaferstolz, with what would likely be a C hip today, produced well when crossed properly.  Treu was a necessary dog in the early years to produce strength.  Without a dog like this, we would not have many of the great dogs we see today. 

And so the need to understand what the heck one is breeding.  A pedigree is only one tool in this large picture.  

Most can agree, we can see some amazing pedigrees yet the dog did not understand who is parents were!  Pretty and so on, but just never produced a reasonable working dog.  Those dogs are problems too, unless you are breeding for purely companion dogs and there is nothing wrong with that.

So, when someone wants to command a sire as "it", I have to ask, "let me see the mother's side". 

thanks for this discussion. 

Nancy Rhynard
www.westwoodkennels.com
suttonnr@aol.com

There are two (2) Toms z Pohranicni straze:)
Prager Hans