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by GSDdrive1 on 08 February 2011 - 17:02

Scoring the 286 points to achieve a V rating is very difficult. First, the dog has to have all the traits necessary to do well in all three phases, each of which requires something different from the dog. Next, you have to have an excellent handler/trainer. If you have a dog with V qualities and a handler with average skiils chances are slim the team will reach a V score. Finally, everything has to come together at the same trial. Every dog (and handler) has a bad day now and then. This bitch was very close to a V rating for SchH I and SchH II scoring 280 on both.


by skyline1108 on 08 February 2011 - 17:02

Would have to be talented? Nope. Could be talented? Maybe.

Excellent trainers can produce V ratiings at the national/international level with a crappy dog.

Less than excellent trainers can produce V ratings at the national/international level with an excellent dog.

V rating is contingent upon a number of conditions.

V rating at a club level doesn't say much about the dog.


sueincc

by sueincc on 08 February 2011 - 17:02

A "v" rating is not a guarantee of anything, though it certainly sparks interest to take a closer look at the dog.

OGBS

by OGBS on 08 February 2011 - 18:02

"Excellent trainers can produce V ratiings at the national/international level with a crappy dog."

Any examples of this, or, is it just your theory?


by skyline1108 on 08 February 2011 - 19:02

Ah you must be quite young and inexperienced in the dog world of sports. Quite a few phenomenal trainers in the WUSVs and BSPSs come to mind with V rate dogs people could care less seeing reproduced.  It shouldn't deter you from pursuing the sport though; there's no reason to get your panties in a bunch.

OGBS

by OGBS on 08 February 2011 - 20:02

Sorry, my panties aren't in a bunch.
You made a statement and I was wondering if you had any examples to back it up or if you were just making a theoretical statement.
For your statement to be true it assumes quite a lot.
Things like top-level competitors having the desire to train a crappy dog, actually doing it, then trialing it to national and international levels and all along the way all the judges are too stupid to recognize a crappy dog, but, somehow you are capable of knowing what no one else knows.
What I always love is how people assume trainers can magically make a dog do something it isn't capable of doing. How is this possible? It can either do it, or, it can't.
How about naming some of those dogs and handlers that "come to mind"?

Bundishep

by Bundishep on 10 February 2011 - 18:02

Very well explained OGBS,I could no have said it better.

by jamesfountain98 on 11 February 2011 - 02:02

I know of one top rated trainer who spoke of a dog he campaigned in nationals and made it as an alternate for the WUSV TEAM. He said the dog was crappy and the worst dog he ever personally trained in the obediance phase. The dog was great in tracking, and had hard full grips in protection.. I really did appreciate his honesty. Another trainer/sch competitor stated that the average club trainer would love to have many dogs that the initial trainer would discard.

I believe the majority of breeders do not test their dogs hard enough to know if they are truly crappy or not. The above spoken dog was bred a lot. and would prob out preform many of other stud dogs. But I do agree an excellent trainer can take an "OK" dog pretty far. But what is "ok" or "crappy" to a trainer of this calliber would be excellent to the average SCH club member.





 


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