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by Hundmutter on 24 December 2022 - 16:12

Everyone might find this info helpful: The current (Nov) issue of the UK GSD Breed Council's Magazine carries the following articles:  

1 Epilepsy !  by Marylyn Roberts

Correspondence from 2020 with the SV (via Sabine), referrencing Dr Tellhelm @Giessen University and Dr Tipold at Hanover University; and citing Patterson (2007), and Bell (2010). Shows that there are still as yet no clear answers but research is ongoing.

2  Emergency care for canine seizures.  by Joanne Carson PhD,

   with refs to Jean Dodds DVM,  and Raymond Peat PhD.

3  A 2007 article written by The Breed Council's Secretary, showing next to nothing has changed since she wrote it.

The vast majority of cases of idiopathic epilepsy, at least here in the UK, were in dogs with multiple lines to Quadrille, and not only had that               not improved between 1997 and this 2007 piece, it does not show much improvement in the present day.  So breeders are still ignoring the calls

to breed away from those lines, despite all efforts to educate; and even in the face of maybe other lines coming in, separate to the Quadrille legacy.


A copy of the magazine can be obtained from the Breed Council website;

I do not think it has been committed to online in full (though I may be wrong ).


I hope you all have a wonderful Christmas, and a happy 2023.




by Sunsilver on 26 December 2022 - 22:12

(Hums 'Where Have All the Flowers Gone?')

When will they ever learn? When will they ever learn...

by Marilyn on 28 December 2022 - 10:12


Yes I contacted Sheila Rankin and sent her a copy of the article I had written about Logan and idiopathic epilepsy.

I was disgusted by the apathy from the SV etc in Germany.

Sheila asked if I mind if she added her article and I told her I would be pleased if she did.

by Mackenzie on 28 December 2022 - 12:12


Are you able to share the article that you have written including Sheila’s ?


by Mackenzie on 05 January 2023 - 07:01

In the UK there has been three Best in Show winners at Crufts namely, Fenton of Kentwood, Niebelung of Charavigne and Ramacon Swashbuckler. All males. All of these males have bloodlines that go back to Ingosohn of Erol. All of them produced epileptic animals. All three were UK Champions. All used at stud. It is not possible to discover exactly how many of their progeny and their progeny that produced epilepsy.

There was a repeat mating of Ramacon Swashbuckler and there were two outstanding dogs, Ramacon Virginia and her brother Ramacon Vibart. Both were made up to Champion status at a very young age. Both were epileptic.



by Sunsilver on 05 January 2023 - 18:01

They obviously have NO INTEREST in getting rid of the problem! Tempted to use language here that might get censored...

by Mackenzie on 06 January 2023 - 06:01

Hello Sunsilver, I understand how you feel about that and you are not alone. I am sure that I have used worse language than you.

The problems are still around and secrecy is still top of the list. Also, too many breeders suffer from a lack of knowledge on bloodlines, ignorance about breeding and the research needed when seeking a male for their females and, worst of all just simply they do not care as long as the red rosettes keep coming. Newbies are left to do things the hard way and in doing so mistakes are make. It is the same all over the world. The UK Kennel Club are not much help. In my opinion where a serious health problem is detrimental to to the breed and the KC are aware of the possible damage to a breed then they should refuse to register the litters. The reality is the registrations form a large part of the KC income and so a blind eye is turned.


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by mrdarcy on 08 January 2023 - 07:01

Mackenzie...100% agree every word accurate!!

by Mackenzie on 08 January 2023 - 11:01

Thank you mrdarcy for your comment.

I think that is safe to conclude that epilepsy in the UK can be nailed to the mast of Ingosohn of Erol who had all German bloodlines. We can also conclude that epilepsy arrived during the end of the 1940's and the same lines of the disease are still current today. This means that the disease has travelled forward approximately seventy years. The question is how much Germany knew about epilepsy from Ingosohn's family in the Fatherland pre the late 1940's. Impossible to know.

I believe that epilepsy is still current in Germany but never revealed. It is a fact that Hagadhals Figo has all of the known carriers in the UK behind him. Bearing in mind that the disease is still current in the UK then I find it difficult to accept that Germany does not have a problem today from this line. Figo passed away at five years of age, very young for a top VA male. Did Figo pass away because of bloat as was said,or, epilepsy? We will never know. If the SV never comes clean about problems relating to health issues, then we will never know. I also accept that Figo's breeder would never have realized the problems in the background.

It is too complacent to think that because the UK experience happened so long ago it could never surface again.

All of the information that I have provided is validated because it can be found on this Database.


by Marilyn on 09 January 2023 - 09:01

Hi guys

Thank you all for your input, which is much appreciated. I have just noticed this in my email.

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Dear owner,

We're getting in touch to let you know about an exciting webinar we're holding later this month which is freely available to anyone interested in attending. The webinar is primarily for owners and breeders who would like to find out more about canine epilepsy, including what research has told us to date, and how best to support a dog, and its owners, affected by the condition.

The webinar is taking place on Microsoft Teams on Monday 30 January 2023 7:00pm - 8:30pm and will serve as an opportunity to refresh your knowledge of epilepsy, learn more about the complexities of the condition and look at what future research could teach us.


The webinar will be hosted by world-renowned specialist Professor Holger Volk, who has pioneered advancements in canine neurology research throughout his career. This exciting event will give owners and breeders who have varying experience with the condition, a chance to learn more about this important problem and a chance to dig deeper into Professor Volk’s expertise.

Epilepsy is known to affect a significant number of breeds and was identified as a priority condition through the breed health and conservation plan project for some 35 breeds, equivalent to almost 20% of Kennel Club registered dogs. Sadly, there is no known prevention for this disease, but there are tools and resources available to support affected dogs and their owners.

If you're interested in attending this free event then make sure you register.

If your dog has been affected by this condition or sadly passed away due to epilepsy we apologise in advance for any upset this email may have caused you but hope this webinar can help and support those who have been impacted by epilepsy.

If you have any queries regarding this event, please don't hesitate to contact our health team.

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