by ValK on 30 August 2021 - 09:08
"yes there are many dogs that are more "powerfull" looking"
johan, contrary,unfortunately present day in pool of GSD significant lack of such dogs of both sexes.
the breeding i was familiar with did employ very simple principle - only dogs who do not has flaws to be used for breeding.
dogs with physical, temperamental, mental deficiency never was subject to correction by attempt to manipulate through breeding to better specimens and simply been written off.
dogs of middle ground with no significant flaws be it physical or temperament was used for work but never in breeding.
as for topic, most confusing part of question it's "working line dogs".
what is working dog? for me dog who provides military or LE service, dog doing S&R, guide dog, dog who's shepherding, dog in assistance to people with disability, dog who's provides safety in airports and other public places, etc. are working dogs.
and that's a very different dogs with different requirements to them.
one, who's looking for LE dog wouldn't give priority to the breeder who's breed dogs for blind people and vice verse.
dog whose purpose to be active companion to suite someone's lifestyle, including participation in sport activity, by default in category of pet dog.
dog, bred to be real working dog can be pet dog companion as well. dog, bred to be pet dog companion cannot be working dog.
by kitkat3478 on 07 September 2021 - 06:09
And the hypocrisy of some of the comments is just a bit on the funny side, that coming from a person that has heard both sides of the arguments from the same people. its like a flip of the coin from year to year, one day its heads your the winner, next time tails is the winner regardless of the coin or who is flipping it. Anyone that has been posting or reading off the dsatabase for any amount of time knows exactly what i am talking about.
Why even bother to mention dogs that are found several generations back when accordiong to these same people, these dogs no longer hold any influence in the dogs of today.
I m really glad that i was here in the days that people that loved this breed of dog was here sharing the wealth of information they had, they gave good breeders their due, and also gave credit to the trainers. the German Shep[herd was tal;ked about with pride amongst the people that posted. You could feel like you learned something when you set the keyboard down for the night.. While not everyone agreed on all topics, they did all agree this was one great breed of dog. Worthy of owning.
It really is no wonder the German Shepherd Community is becoming one of people full of wrong information and have little expectation or insighgt what a Germnan Shepherd is truly about. In a world where information is just the click of a mouse away, it sure is hard to find it.
by ValK on 08 September 2021 - 15:09
dogs don't decide, people, involved in those dogs, do.
hard to expect anything decent when majority of those people seeing the dogs rather like $$$$, than as a breed, created to be useful and practical, rather than cute but useless toy.
by kitkat3478 on 09 September 2021 - 01:09
by Baerenfangs Erbe on 10 September 2021 - 09:09
It's not that they are not out there. It's that it's all about who knows who rather than the quality of the dogs.
In the States it is incredibly difficult to truly know about a dog because of the insane distances. Which is why I stick local and go with what I personally know. I don't care what others breed to and what the flavor of the month is.
Believe it or not, I bred to Max's Arro twice. I really really like what Arro (Carro von der Feldweise) produces. All of his puppies are super social, super fun, clear and confident. I would have never thought I'd breed into Javir Talka Marda but I did because of Arro. I don't like his looks at all. I don't like his head but I like the quality he brings. I'm likely going to breed into him again because I just really really like what he's given me so far.
It sucks that Max got banned from this page. But to me, his Arro is a really nice producer.
by ValK on 11 September 2021 - 11:09
"I only see cuteness in my dogs when they re puppies."
i noticed quite contrary here - majority present days GSDs seems never come to mental maturity and even in late stage of their life acts like they are still the pups.
to me that's pet peeve but seems like lots of people likes it and accordingly breeders respond to market demand.
in last 20 years i haven't met a GS dog who make impression like "wow, that really a serious and intelligent dog".
returning to topic, perhaps the question should be "are somewhere yet a breeders of WORKING GSDs and who they are?"
as i mentioned earlier, today's so call "working line GSDs" being bred to be just pet companions to suit physically active life style of individuals.
if some dogs ends up being suitable for some sort of practical useful work it's rather an accident than a deliberately planned approach to produce a litter in which the future dogs, by temperament, intelligence or physical characteristic are intended for use in a foreseen specific work field.
by Rik on 12 September 2021 - 23:09
not just best DDR, which seem to no longer really exist.
anybody who ever met a Busecker Schloß dog maybe also met a real GSD. but that was long ago.
by Rik on 12 September 2021 - 23:09
another point for this thread.
joanro, who no longer post here, and probably the best animal trainer who ever post on this site, tops in the world, got her foundation stock from Jiri.
someone who rides a buffalo damn sure knows more about animals than I do. I accused her of riding a cow, but I apoligized, because I know what she did is on a level of Siegfried and Roy and any famous animal trainers that can be named.
so maybe, that is the answer. at least in the U.S.
by Hundmutter on 13 September 2021 - 01:09
by Rik on 13 September 2021 - 01:09
one only needs to do a little research on "joanro" to know that she is probably the most advanced animal person/trainer in the world at this time.
she is the only person I have ever known, besides Fred Lanting, who train GSD to highest level, with no assist.
some people are just on another level than I inhabit.
well share that wiith "Staatsmacht" on GSD since they ae now in the U.S. and this is a thread about W/L in past decade.