can every dog be trained for personal protection - Page 4

Is there a Chi which is NOT nasty? Lol

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I really think the average "PPD" buyer, in the USA, thinks that they are buying a Golden Retriever that suddenly turns into "Cujo" when the bad guy shows up.

as HD said the financial catastrophe that can occur when that PPD dog (USA) attacks can destroy a person's future is often overlooked

jmo,
Rik.

koots, my daughter was a very big Chi lover, and yes, they were all nasty.

Rick, the financial catastrophe could occur if one train and use for PP the dog who is not suitable for that purpose.
on other hand, as i mentioned before, it always was hard tusk to find suitable dogs.
with present politic in breeding even harder, if possible at all.

The financial ruin will occur ANYTIME a dog bites anyone. Anyone can use in civil court for damages, future loss of earning potential, emotional and psychological damage and a host of other shit the lawyer will come up with.
It has nothing to do with suitability or proper use, it has to do with the laws of the land and what year we live in.

Agreed, Hired - the present litigious society means that a dog bite can be financial ruin of the owner.

In 1981 had a very mild, very social, female German Shepherd who "loved everyone."

At that time, Canine Companions came to work with her and I.

She would bark viciously on command, jump and strain like she could break loose at any minute.

Stop and sit immediately on the 'OUT.'

They took my $3800 then said they doubted she had the drive to be protective or do me any good as a protection dog, "she just doesn't have her heart into the bite."

Well, one day someone with bad intentions came up to me while I was at work (I mowed lawns at the time to get through college).

He put his hands on my backpack blower, said he always wanted one of these and asked me what I was gonna do if he took it ....

Bear came out from under the truck and sat behind him.
I had on sunglasses so he did not see me looking at her.

I nodded and looked to my left.

Bear scooted around to my left and sat.

I grabbed her collar, let her forward a bit then pulled her back, said "WATCH HIM !! WATCH HIM !!!"

She went into her all hell broke loose show.

And it was all we needed for him to drop the tool and back off before he turned and ran.

I was so happy and so relieved, I sat down and sobbed and hugged her to death.

Something in her clicked and she knew what she had to do.
I think lots of us have training we never really use until we have to.

I suspect dogs aren't much different.

My very first GSD was actually from a Pet Store...this was back in 1972...He was super dog aggressive...I worked and worked on him and finally got him under control...I even showed him in AKC Ob and titled him and got his "CD" and "CDX"...If you know anything about AKC Ob you have to Sit then Down your down in a line beside others dogs which were probably 6' from your dog...I didn't know anything about Protection work and met some guys from the Air Force K-9 and worked with them until my dog was able to bite and protect...He saved me from trouble a few times...Once I was at work in an office in the middle of the night and we had a window where people could come in and pay a bill...We had a tall counter and I had my dog with me...This person began to get violent and threaten me...I then called my dog over to me and he sat at a Heel position (quietly)...the person was escalating the situation so I patted on the counter and my dog just jumped up on it...The guy backed up and left...
Talking about Chi's...My grandparents had 20 of them...they were all great with us...but I imagine they could be nasty to others they didn't know as well...

~Bob~

No, not every dog can be trained for personal protection. And as noted way upthread by @Duke1965, there are differences in personal protection for nonviolent purse thief and serious situations/uses. Regardless of the breed chosen, the right dog, which is both civil and protective, must be selected. A dog that will not protect his or her owner/handler is useless for personal protection. A dog, which will not bite when provoked (in accordance with his/her training) is useless for personal protection in serious situations. Therefore, puppy temperament evaluation, performed by someone knowledgeable, is critical to finding the right dog for the intended purpose. Not all GSD or other breeds known for personal protection purpose will be suitable, because each puppy/dog is an individual, with different drives and temperaments. However, because of what various breeds are bred for physically, drive-wise, and temperament-wise, puppies/dogs of some breeds, such as GSD, Malinois,etc. are more likely to have the needed drives and temperament for personal protection than puppies/dogs of some other breeds, such as Golden Labs, which are usually more suitable as therapy dogs, seeing eye dogs, etc.

 

When I got my current GSD as a puppy, she was to be trained for law enforcement/handler protection/personal protection. I picked my breeder because she breeds awesome puppies for this type of work, and she picked the perfect puppy out of the desired litter for me. THANK YOU.

 

This GSD went after someone that tried to do *bad stuff* to me, and was also intent on breaking into my place. She was 8 months old and no protection training at that time.

 

The bad guy, who was a previously convicted felon, never returned to the neighborhood. Had the dog had the training she later got, the bad guy wouldn't have gotten away. But, when I needed her, my dog did her job to the best of her ability, and it was as perfect as it could be given the circumstances and her level of training.  I was unharmed, as were my dog and property. She's naturally very civil and protective, but as my breeder told me, they normally don't show it as early as she did. I think maybe dogs don't show it that early because not exposed to/encounter real-life bad situation that early. We didn't go looking for it, it came looking for us. Otherwise, she wouldn't have had a real-world situation requiring her protecting me until she was older.  Training situation is different because the owner/handler knows it's training and a good dog will pick up on the difference when he/she encounters the second type of situation.  Ideally, and more often, the real-world situation follows training.

 

Something I learned as LE. Proper training reduces liability because the dog is less likely to do something not desired by the owner/handler, and to stop doing whatever he/she is commanded to stop doing. Examples: An untrained, civil, protective dog might bite the old lady with dementia that wanders into the yard, but a dog trained to recognize the neighbor lady and not harm her would not. An untrained, civil, protective dog might bite a burglar in the house and might not let go without physical intervention of the owner/handler, or LE TASING or shooting the dog, but a properly trained dog would immediately out on command of the owner/handler, reducing the possibility of injury/unnecessary injury. There might be a lawsuit, but proper training can help show responsible handling/ownership, etc. and maybe why the dog only bit because of a specific, identifiable provocation. Anyone considering personal protection, etc. dog should consult lawyer and insurance first. And responsible trainer knowledgeable and experienced in personal protection, etc., and/or company that sells trained personal protection, etc. dogs before making decision. Criminal, civil, and administrative laws and regulations vary by country, state, municipality, etc. Insurance requirements and/or availability also varies.

 

Not a lawyer. Not legal advice. Blah blah blah.