Pedigree Database


by Marilyn on 24 August 2020 - 04:08

Hi Hund

Would it be possible to pm me those pedigrees for my research on my dog only. It might shed a light on where the issue has arisen from because my lad has no lines going back to the usual 'suspect's.

As I said before, I do not wish to point the finger but I do wish to gain a greater understanding of what was going on in his ancestral breeding.


by Hundmutter on 24 August 2020 - 10:08

Marilyn, will PM you.

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by mrdarcy on 24 August 2020 - 12:08

Koots, good for you and shame on the breeder for attacking you for speaking the truth.


by Hundmutter on 24 August 2020 - 12:08

Now that Sunsilver found the pedigree of the first of those two UK exports on here, I take back part of what I implied in my earlier post about him likely being 'just pet' breeding. He has his BH (not such a frequent finding in the UK, still) and he is likely being bought for a Working home in the States, since he has some decent German working kennels and a couple of the same in British ones behind him. He has also, wonder of wonders, had his hips & elbows done. He honestly seems quite unusual for a UK export, but maybe the tide is turning and we will see more of these to come; I hope so. Not a bad thing for the UK economy either, I guess.

Still has a crap and uninformative choice of Registered name though ! I do not forsee him becoming part of the AKC / ASL 'scene'.  And he would not do well, on structure, at British (SV style) Breed Shows on the strength of his accompanying photograph either - though I doubt that bothers any of the humans concerned in the transaction. Actually I very much doubt he would be high in the cards under one of our pro-Alsatian Breed Show judges either. But as long as he can 'work', and those involved are concerned with that, barring genetic or other accidents along the way, I'm sure he is a perfectly nice dog. Whether he can be regarded as 'breed typical' is really an issue for those of us purist enough to care about such matters.


by Hundmutter on 24 August 2020 - 16:08

Okayyyy... the other export:  Litter born January '20. Breeder: Tanner.

Sire: Blue Dream Secret Weapon of Wolfzone;

Dam: Gurneys Day After Tomorrow - bitch born May '18. First litter. 7 pups.


Wolfzone Callico  b. Liver & tan.                        (

Wolfzone Chocolate Dream d. Liver & tan.      (  these 2 both sold to a Mrs Shapley within 3 months.

Wolfzone Grizzle Boy d. Liver & tan.

Wolfzone Liver Dream Echo b. Liver & tan.

Wolfzone Saphira Bluebell  b. Blue & tan.

Wolfzone Wilhelmina b. Blue & tan.

Wolfzone's Mon Arch The Moose d, Colour not recognised by KC.


Two other Wolfzone dogs were exported to the States during the same quarter this litter was registered.

Wolfzone Master of Devon

and Wolfzone Miss Artemis

= Littermates born October '19 but these were sold to two different owners.  They too were sired by Blue Dream Secret Weapon,

but out of a bitch named Solar Northern Lights.

There were 9 pups in all; colours were:  5 x Blue & Tan; 2 x Blue Sable; 2 x 'Not recognised by KC'.



by Sunsilver on 24 August 2020 - 17:08

Re: Gurneys Day After Tomorrow - that dog is not in the PDB, but the kennel is. Predictably, they breed and sell blues, livers and whites:

Also longcoats... 


Edit: Blue Dream is a variety of marijuana!  [rolls eyes]


by BRADY BEE on 24 August 2020 - 17:08

All I can say is OMG 😲 the Wolfzone website is ' interesting ' to say the least lol !


by Sunsilver on 24 August 2020 - 21:08

Brady Bee, where did you find that link? I can't find Wolfzone. I DID find the kennel that imported Wolfzone's Master of Devon: http://vonsilakennels.com/male-german-shepherd-finn/


by Rik on 24 August 2020 - 21:08

I just did a short google on epilepsy and there are so many types, causes that I doubt a DNA identifier will be easy to find. It can be genetic, a mutant gene, in some cases an injury, some cases are caused by a single gene, some by multiple.

the only way to point to a single dog causing it is of course by multiple instances, which information gleaned across a broad audience as this makes possible.


by Hundmutter on 25 August 2020 - 03:08

True Rik - but as I and others have covered on PDB before, every time someone does not check they have a suspect line (given the way we know the genetic transmissions of epilepsy work) and sets up to breed with a very limited gene pool, purely in order to get particular colours or coat lengths, they compound the problem. In the UK we have far too many kennels like these; and now we seem to be ensuring by exporting dogs to the USA that if your 'coats n colours' people did not already have the problem in their stock, they soon will. For which I find myself apologising !

This NY website ( a kennel where they only breed the 'finest' GSDs ) indicates on careful reading that like others which rely on breeding 'off Standard', what they care about most is the $$$ - as ever, 'follow the money'. Concern for buyers who down the line have a fitting dog ? Nah, not so much.


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