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by Bavarian Wagon on 03 November 2016 - 20:11
I also don't believe most IPO dogs could do LE work. I think a lot of LE people look at club level videos and stretch that to be every dog in IPO. It's not. The good IPO dogs are trained way better and way different than most of the dogs trialing at clubs. But when LE people use those videos to try to say how weak IPO dogs have gotten...IPO people get defensive and attack. Both groups like to act as if what they do is WAY harder and that their dogs are WAY better than they truly are. We know that most people over exaggerate their dog's ability. Most K9 handlers don't know what they're seeing and have very little to compare to anyways. Dogs are good and bad everywhere, those at the highest levels are very rare though.
by Gustav on 03 November 2016 - 22:11
And I don't assume that you've never helped train a LE dog, actually that's my point. My titling a dog in the eighties and 2000's and training with folks like T, Dean, Wallace, Andre,etc, allows me to have decent knowledge of sport, but not to be a points trainer at any high level. The same applies to sport trainers that occasionally work a LE dog in comparison to folks that train LE dogs from green to deployment on the streets for many many years. The goals are different, the training is different, and today more times than not( as you acknowledged) the dogs are different.
So in LE world we do see untrained dogs that will defend and protect, but though I am sure in Sport world there are some too, by the very nature of sport goals I would understand you maybe not seeing this as much, or even recognizing it as early as it is not the type of dog that traditionally is high points dog that you always refer back to when comparing other dogs.
I respect you pov, trust me, I just don't think that sport comparisons are be all to all dog training, in fact I know they aren't. And this topic I understood to be about ordinary untrained dogs ( GS).
Again, I am not saying this is prevalent today, but they are certainly out there, especially from some lines.
by Mithuna on 04 November 2016 - 11:11
What is the value of your sport dog if I can enter your property and take away your dog without any risk from the dog itself?
What makes this dog a "real dog" ?
by Gustav on 04 November 2016 - 11:11
by Bavarian Wagon on 04 November 2016 - 13:11
by Mithuna on 04 November 2016 - 14:11
by Bavarian Wagon on 04 November 2016 - 14:11
Exactly...tied out...and she wasn't alone, you were there. Please don't change stories once you've posted them on here before. She was also agitated and not attacked/pressured in any way near what a true burglar would possibly do. I can also pretty much guarantee that your dog wouldn't have bitten without agitation...so a passive helper doing absolutely nothing. We've been waiting for video for quite some time of your dog...and that single bite session you've probably done.
If you'd like an explanation of why dogs are tied out...I'm sure your other forum would be more than happy to explain it to you and why a tie out helps a helper make sure the dog will stay there and possibly bite.
by sandumdalen on 05 November 2016 - 00:11
by Baerenfangs Erbe on 23 November 2016 - 04:11
Second time he came in and the two dogs were let out together, they already knew he wasn't a threat because he was already in the yard rather than walking in on them while they were already out.
by hexe on 23 November 2016 - 05:11
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